Google Adwords - Massive list of negative terms

[1Lit.com]

[Hope it's OK to post this list I've created here for webmasters. If not, mod., please delete :)]

Got a site selling widgets? Have you filtered out people who are searching for the term "p2p", "warez", "free" or "jobs" at Adwords? Well there's about a zilch chance somebody searching for "free widgets" is going to end up buying one - they're a cheapstake. They might visit your site - and therefore run down your Adwords account and/or impressions - but you won't make a sale from them.

It's essential to create a list of negative keywords, incorporating terms like the above and numerous porn words, for your Google Adwords listings. The only problem is that it can take days to construct a comprehensive list that includes every possible word that will not convert. It took me two days full-time to construct mine.

There are sites that are selling lists of negative keywords for hefty amounts of money. But, if any IHelpYou members are happy to permanently link back to one of my sites, I would be delighted to send you the list of hundreds of negative words I have painstaking compiled for FREE. I will also send you updates every year with new popular, but useless words.

Email me at na@NOJUNKMAILnazam.com letting me know precisely where you intend to add the link and how many visitors the page receives. I'll send you my list within a couple of days :)

[Advisor]

I'm not sure if that's an appropriate offer to make here. If you want to give out your list for free, that's wonderful, but requiring a link to your site for getting it? Thanks, but no thanks.

Jill

[polarmate]

Make your list available for free and site owners who think it's of some use to them will link back to you without your asking for it.

[1Lit.com]

Sorry, but I 'aint going to give out for free. Two years ago, I would have, when there was a feeling of community spirit on the net, but now the internet has just because a capitalist dogfight. Very few places left like IHelpYou :)

It's been a hot weekend here in England (for a change) and while my friends have been chillin' out at the beach, I haven't left my bedroom for two days because I've been compiling the other mother of all negative word lists. Therefore don't think it's fair I give it out completely for free. Not even charging for it - I thought a link back was the least someone could do.

Anyway, thanks for the advice...

[scottiecl]

Gosh, Jill! What have you been thinking, giving out advice here when you could be requiring a link back in return for an answer??

I'm really not trying to give you a hard time, 1lit. But the reality is that people who posted a link just to get the list from you would probably remove it next week.

And the people who would put up and keep a link would have linked to you anyway in appreciation for the report. Asking is one thing, requiring is a totally different thing.

And I disagree- the Internet is still full of people willing to share their knowledge for free. You picked the wrong place to post that assumption when many mods and members here spend a lot of their time sharing knowledge and solving problems for anyone who asks. :) What goes around comes around...

[Advisor]

Maybe I'm just old school, but to me there's something offensive about requiring a link to your site for something.

Now, that's not to say that if a person wrote an article and others posted it, that they couldn't put a link to the author's site.

But there's a difference there from what you are asking. Do you see the distinction?

If you instead said something like, "if you like it and wanted to link to my site to tell others about it, here's the link to do so" it wouldn't have been as offensive to me.

Jill

[1Lit.com]

(1) I agree that the mods and others on this forum and extremely friendly and helpful. I mentioned it in my last post. I too have spent a lot of time offering help and advice to people on various webmaster forums over the years - and have given away many a hard-learned 'secret' to fellow posters. I consider them to be friends rather than rivals.

(2) Fair enough, if you don't want to link back, it's your perogative - don't take my product. After previous experiences, I refuse to make it optional, because 99% of people won't link back. I'm sick of giving away my time for free. I work 100 hours a week on my PC and, with the recent EU tax on online transactions, am earning less than some people earn in McDonalds. There are sites on the net which are selling the list for $20+ that I was offering for free. Everybody has the option to buy one of them and not have to link to any other site :)

[Advisor]

I haven't looked at it, but perhaps your site is not worth linking to? Sites that naturally get links don't need to "force" others to link. I realize you probably spent a lot of time on your report and you deserve compensation. So just charge for it then. Like Scottie said, what's to stop people from saying they will link to you and then removing the link anyway?

I guess I just don't like the thought of links as a commodity, even though I know that it's done all the time. It's just not the way things should be done, at so many different levels.

Jill

[chopsticks]

I understand where Jill (Advisor) is coming from. It seems a bit against "old school" netiquette to require a link bank.

BUT, then again, most others in this forum only SELL their SEO services.
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The way I look at it -- 1Lit.com made an offer (and even clearly stated if it wasn't kosher that it could be deleted).

He'll offer something in exchange for building his reputation and his site links.

But it's on the honor system. Once he generated the keywords for someone... what's to say that the other person would follow-through as they promised.

He's not asking for money. He's asking for an intangile.. and it's based on honor. He could easily get used & abused by any variety of back-stabbing netizens.

(Hell, someone could get his list, then post it for free. His listed isn't protected, he could easily get "bent over" by someone using fake email addresses, and bogus "cookie cutter/clone" sites).
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Just my thougts.

If his site really is NOT worth linking to in exchange for the negative/worthless keywords he's offering to generate.... then I'm sure he'll get the bad end of the deal. (i.e. people will take his work and not really link to him).

Kinda like signing up to a newsletter (or otherwise giving your email address out) when you're not sure about the privacy policy (or the privacy policy clearly states that they could change the privacy policy at any time without notice).

To each their own.

If his idea/concept/rate of exchange isnt' worth it he won't succeed.

But it would be hard to tell without further evaluation.

What does an outbound link cost you? Nothing. (Did he say WHERE one must place his link? No.)

If nothing else, I commend him for having a new unique perspective. Not exactly a "black sheep" but definitely not a lemming!

He may not make a lot of close friends with this model...
but hopefully he won't get "taken for a ride" by the jacka$$es who take advantage of everyone that they possibly can.

[JohnC]

First of all... I don't agree with the "required" link back, JMHO.

Now, here's an alternate idea for you.

I believe these types of lists are fairly useless to begin with. Only because there is no way you could build a single list that would apply to everyone. Each person or company would still have to apply their own filters and would most likely come up with additional negative keywords more specific to their industry anyway. These lists are a fair starting point but by no means an end product.

If your only goal here is to get more links to your site, look back over that weekend you did not spend on the beach and think about everything you did to build your list. Then write an article on how you did it, add some specific stuff about how to customize the process for individual needs and then see if you can get someone like Jill to publish it. Reproduce it on your site and you will have tons of people linking to it in no time. Probably MANY more than you would get using your current method.

I believe your attitude about the community of the net is wrong. Maybe it's some of the other places you hang out. :)

[1Lit.com]

Thanks for the back-up chopsticks :) Your points are valid. It's not like I have a knife at everybody's throat and am forcing them to link to one of my sites for nothing in return. "Everybody at IHelpYouServices.com Forum MUST Link to My Site or DIE!"

Website of mod. states:

"Search engine optimization fees start at $7,500."

Perhaps you could do the seo for free as well then and, if people like your service, they could link to your site?

I can assure you that even if you offer a state-of-the-art service, less than 1% of people will bother to do so.

The people here ARE great, but outside the confines of a few places like this, the internet HAS become the ultimate capitalist dogfight. Otherwise why do I get over 500 spam messages a day?

This thread is in danger of getting out of hand, so I'm not going to post anymore.

Have a nice day everyone and take it easy :cheers:

P.S. As regards negative words needing to be optimised themselves, I agree completely. But a basic template can help everyone: 99% of sites don't need visitors searching for their keywords ajoined to terms like "porn", "spam" or "fraud". They can ensure that a LOT of untargetted visitors don't even see your advert, which will improve your ranking in Google Adwords listings/decrease PPC costs.

[Advisor]

Perhaps you could do the seo for free as well then and, if people like your service, they could link to your site? No kidding. Why do you think I'm telling you it's a dumb idea.

Bottom line...links are not a commodity. Charge or don't charge, but required links for stuff like that are simply bad form.

Jill

[chopsticks]

I vote for this thread to be deleted.

"Bad form" and tone from most involved. To tell him to hang out elsewhere... or to blatantly state that it's a "dumb idea" are not what I expect from this forum.

He's said it looks like it's going to get out of hand and he won't post anymore. So let's all agree to disagree & forget about it. (At the very least close the thread!)

Opinions are like a$$holes... everyone has one.

To pay or not to pay. To be capitalist or not be capitalist.
Ahhh, how I yearn for the "good ol' days" of the internet. (Back when the word 'ecommerce' hadn't been coined... we just called it "selling $hit").

[Advisor]

Bad form" and tone from most involved. To tell him to hang out elsewhere... or to blatantly state that it's a "dumb idea" are not what I expect from this forum. The dumb idea would be for me trying to get people to pay $7500 for my services after the fact.

I think this is a useful thread, and have no idea why you think it should be deleted.

I don't believe 1lit was offended, why should you be, Chopsticks?

Would it be better if I told 1lit that his idea was a great one, when I don't believe it is? Am I saying that he can't do it or I'll come and get him?

I'm just giving him my opinion, which he can take or leave as he sees fit. Makes no difference to me either way!

Jill

[ihelpyou]

Oh, I think 1lit knows that we are simply trying to help him. I've read many of his posts and know he really likes advice and listens to it.

In the end, he will do what he thinks he needs to do to succeed. That's the same as all of us do anyway. :)

[chopsticks]

I also couldn't care too much about the issue itself.

But I don't like the "tone" I've read in this thread. JohnC politely told him that he should find somewhere else to hang-out (as though he's not welcome here). "scottiecl" also told him this was the wrong place. You told him his idea was "dumb".

No, you shouldn't lie to him and tell him it's NOT a dumb idea.

But his last message said he thought the thread was getting out of hand and he wouldn't post anymore.

CONGRATULATIONS EVERYONE FOR MAKING HIM FEEL SO *#!&$!()*!@ WELCOME.

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He isn't a spammer (from what I can tell), just a lost soul who may have made an error in logic.

His style might not be your style (and obviously isn't).

I personally would never require a link back either.

But I also don't like to see a condescending tone from our "super moderators" and other enlightened individuals.

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None of us would appreciate a teacher who told us that we had a "dumb idea". (And I'd have a confrontation with any teacher who told a child of mine such a thing!)

There are no stupid questions... only stupid answers. ENLIGHTEN, EDUCATE and ELLUCIDATE. Not mandate & intimate.

:o:


[ / soapbox mode: OFF ]
I won't post to this thread again.

[Advisor]

Chopsticks, I don't know what posts you're reading but where do you see this stuff:But I don't like the "tone" I've read in this thread. JohnC politely told him that he should find somewhere else to hang-out (as though he's not welcome here). "scottiecl" also told him this was the wrong place. You told him his idea was "dumb".

I think you're seeing way more than anyone wrote, and way more than 1lit or any of us saw.

Chill out. There was no bad tone at all posted here. Just opinions about an idea being made.

Jill

[ihelpyou]

I've not been a poster in this thread and I don't see anything that was anything else but 'advice' given.

I also know there is at least one 'other' place out there that has a forum for "reciprocal links' requests", etc, and maybe that is what was referred to? I will never have that here as it's like a link farm arrangement to me.

But the advice given in this thread is good. I don't see anything bad about it at all chopsticks.

What are you seeing anyway? :)

[JohnC]

Originally posted by chopsticks
JohnC politely told him that he should find somewhere else to hang-out (as though he's not welcome here).Sorry if it sounded that way, I actually meant the exact opposite. Meaning that if those other places seemed so bad, he should hang out here more often. :)

[Advisor]

Originally posted by JohnC
Sorry if it sounded that way, I actually meant the exact opposite. Meaning that if those other places seemed so bad, he should hang out here more often. :) It sounded exactly as you intended it to sound, John. It appears that Chopsticks must have misread it.

Jill

[Webmaster T]

Originally posted by 1Lit.com
The people here ARE great, but outside the confines of a few places like this, the internet HAS become the ultimate capitalist dogfight. Otherwise why do I get over 500 spam messages a day?The spirit the original postee allude to is under a great deal of strain from new users who just didn't experience the good old days. I feel the same way as him/her but instead of going to the other side just walked away and found another means of monetizing or deriving benefit what I do/or provide for free. Most of the links you would get under your proposed plan would cost you more time in monitoring then it's worth. Let people who appreciate the information link back to you of their own accord then you have 0 costs to maintain the links and those you do get will last.

[1Lit.com]

Am I allowed to break my word and post one last time? It's to set things right!

I didn't say I was not going to post in this thread because I was offended. The only reason I stated that was because I felt that the gap in how we perceived the situation was unbridgable and therefore wasting both my and other people's time. We're all extremely busy and have got far better things to do than get sidetracked with such a relatively petty conversation. I've posted hundreds of messages at other webmaster forums and know when a conversation is about to turn in on itself and about to go around in circles that don't achieve anything. Nevertheless, I thank chopsticks for standing up for me against the onslaught.

For God's sake, Yahoo has bought Overture. More important stuff to chat about!

Doug and Jill know me from elsewhere in this forum. I consider them to be on a par with friends. I'm not hanging around these forums just be patted on the back for each and everything I do. I value people's advice/comments/criticism. I may agree or disagree, but I'm thick skinned enough not to be (too) hurt. Some of the posts further up this thread have been useful to both me and I hope others. That is the raison d'etre of IHelpYou.

I wish everyone here a nice day :hi:

[Advisor]

Thanks for clearing that up, 1lit! That's exactly how I felt you took it, and the meaning I read into your other posts.

Sometimes the written word means one thing to someone as it means to another. Glad that you did understand the intent and meaning of my posts (and those of others) as nothing I said was meant to be mean-spirited or whatever.

It's unfortunate that Chopsticks read more into the posts than was there, but I guess ya can't please all the people all the time.

:cheers:

Jill

[WebSavvy]

Hi Nadeem, seeing your name there just now, it dawned on me who you were. ;)

I first knew you a few years ago from Allan's (associateprograms.com) board. You emailed me a few times for some help with some code. :) Do you still have your art site?

Geez it's a small world isn't it?

I like the idea of an article based on how you did the research. It'd be an interesting read. There's plenty of places that would carry the article (and link back to you).

Best Wishes,
:)