Inktomi Inclusion anyone?

[JuniorHarris]

Was curious how many others might be using the PositionTech (http://www.positiontech.com) Inktomi Inclusion program (http://www.positiontech.com/inktomi/)? Our traffic from MSN has been worth the cost alone. However referral traffic from MSN did seem to drop a bit the week before last, but then last week did recover nicely!~ :)

[ihelpyou]

I have not had any reason to use it yet. I know if/when they stop accepting the free way, then I will use them.

My traffic from MSN/Ink is VERY good. So is my clients.

[ihelpyou]

I should add that for those sites who change content frequently, paying for inclusion into Inktomi would be a good thing. This way you get re-spidered every 48 hours so your page will always be up to date on the search results.

Of course, this also will allow you to tweak your pages frequently to improve your ranks.

[Perfection]

Same here, as long as there is a free way to submit, I'll keep doing it the free way. It does take a while to get listed the free way, but once I'm in, the msn traffic was worth the wait.

[Blue]

...when I was allowed to eat jelly doughnuts :(

Anyhoo...to the topic at hand. I voted no simply because my (main) site is in the process of going through a major upgrade. When it is finished, I will most likely take the "free way" (as long as it lasts).

[ihelpyou]

BTW,

This site has been good to me lately for getting pages into Inktomi:

http://www.goo.ne.jp/help/info/url.html

You will see two boxes. The first one you type in your Url. The second, your email. Then you click the button on the left to submit. You are done! ;)

[JuniorHarris]

Yeah, almost forgot about that!~ ;) Thanks for the reminder!

[ihelpyou]

Of course, submitting for free will Not work unless you have a really good link or two in a major directory.

Looksmart, Yahoo, or DMOZ.

IF not, your page will just keep falling in and out. If this is the case, you need to pay PositionTech.com (http://www.positiontech.com)

[ihelpyou]

NOW,

ALL of this stuff being reported today about the Inktomi and AltaVista paid for indexing is a VERY sad state of affairs indeed.

First, the report on SEW of INk now being a competitor a SEO's and then the report on SEF about ALta's FAQ which states that if a site does not renew after 6 months, the page will be dropped from the index even if the page was previously in the index prior to paying for the weekly re-spidering.

I truly wish Inktomi/PositionTech and AltaVista/Proboost would jump in here to explain all of this to us.

[JuniorHarris]

Yes, it'd be nice to hear some straight talk from the engines themselves. I do see advantages to the paid for indexing programs, however I also believe that once subscriptions to such programs end, then those URLs which were listed prior to paid submission should not be deleted. Now they may choose to delete those URLs which were not listed prior to subscription, and that would be fine. But my thoughts are that the URL status should be returned to what it had originally, included or not.

[ihelpyou]

Exactly. What incentive do sites have to pay if they are already indexed??

None really. Only if their content changes all the time but even then, if the site was listed prior, why should they pay for 6 months only to be stuck to paying to avoid being dropped?

AltaVista? Proboost/Infospider?

[Mel]

Hi All

Yes we have used the Inktomi paid submission and find it good for two reasons:

you are in the index in a week as opposed to a couple of months.

you get respidered ever 48 hours so there is plenty of opportunity to tweak your SEO almost daily and see the results without waiting so long that you forget what it was you did.

Downside is that they only spider the pages you have submitted - not even the links on that page.

Might also mention that ther is a cost differential between the PositionTech and the NetworkSolutions paid submissions. PositionTechs works out cheaper.

[ihelpyou]

Good points Mel.

I just have not had any reason to pay for Ink as of yet. I seem to get clients into Ink fairly quickly. Usually within one month.

As long as this can happen, I will stick to the free way. Yes, being able to tweak often is good, but it does not justify the expense of paying to me as clients normally start off with good ranks anyway.

Even if I tweak, Ink comes around pretty often and then reindexes. The fact that Ink will only spider the page submitted is a huge drawback. When submitting for free or when just waiting for the spider to find the Url, many pages have the chance of getting crawled and indexed.

[Mel]

Nice to know that youare getting into Ink so fast, Doug. Now that Canada.com has folded their database and no longer accepts submissions, are you getting better results with HotBot or Goo?

[ihelpyou]

Actually, I try to not submit to get in. I let the spiders find the Url's on their own.

When that does not seem to succeed, I will usually get in thru Goo.

[Advisor]

Doug,

You're like my long lost twin on matters of Inktomi!

Also, do you have links to that news about AV? I hadn't heard about them saying they would drop you after your 6 months. When I spoke with the guy there on the phone about their program, he did kinda waffle about that, but he said they had no plans for that sort of thing. If this is true, why would any do the pay for inclusion? (Actually, even if it's not, why would they :O ?

Jill

[ihelpyou]

oh yes. I thought that was common knowledge with the program for AV?

The contract is only for 6 months. If you do not renew it, they will drop the page that was in because of paying. I read it in DSullivans letter or support of AV told me,... can't remember now.

[Advisor]

You actually read that for a fact that they will drop the page? I can't believe they would publically state that. (Seems too dumb!) They definitely did not say that to me when they told me about the program.

J

[ihelpyou]

I know now... there was a member at the other place that had emailed them about this. They emailed back confirming this. I do not know the thread though.

[ihelpyou]

Well, I have searched for where I had read that, but cannot find anywhere, so scratch out that comment about Alta dropping listings after 6 months.

Until we have an answer, there is no answer. Only hearsay that I can gather now.

[Advisor]

Right! And it's not fair to spread rumors like that. I have a hard time believing AV would publically admit they'd drop pages. Whether or not they do is another matter! What about Inktomi, what do they do after the year? Anyone know this? I once asked this question to Danny S. and he did not know. He mentioned asking Ink about it, but I never heard back. I'm gonna try and remember to ask someone from Ink about this at the conference. It's actually one reason why I don't pay them. My free listings get in, aren't flagged to expire, etc., etc. Seems kinda dumb to pay for the pleasure of possibly getting deleted once you stop paying if ya know what I mean. :(

Jill

[bigDugan]

I have posted a reply to the AltaVista's Express Inclusion Service question in the AltaVista Search Engine Forum (http://www.ihelpyouservices.com/forums/t236/s.html)
:nerd:

[Ncntrl]

When I signed up 3 weeks ago, the below paragraph stated in that you would be removed from the index at the end of 6 months if you did not pay more. Apparantley someone at AV was paying attention to the press it was getting and changed it (happily) to the following:

"What happens to URLs if customers choose not to renew their subscription at the end of 6 months?
AltaVista will automatically evaluate each URL for continued inclusion in its index. As with any URL that is obtained by either crawling or free submission, no assurance of inclusion is provided. The weekly refresh that is provided for Express Inclusion URLs will be discontinued, and InfoSpider support for expired URLs will no longer be available. For customers with multiple URLs in the Express Inclusion program, all URLs that remain active will continue to receive the full benefits of the program. "

[ihelpyou]

Welcome to the forums Ncntrl! :hi:

Yes. From what I understand, Alta did have the "Url will be dropped if no renewal". But like you said, they have changed their minds. :up:

[JuniorHarris]

Welcome Ncntrl!~ :hi:

[Blue]

:hi:

[Jason]

I use ineedhits.com Inktomi Program? Is this not the same program? Why doesn't it sound like i-need-hits is well known...

[MakeMeTop]

Yes, the ineedhits Inktomi inclusion is the same program as the others - it's just that they have only just started as an inclusion partner, so less of us have used it. I'm sure that their service is as efficient as other partners.

Positiontech was the first and has been running the longest - so many people have been using their service since day 1. Hence it tends to be better known.

[ihelpyou]

Welcome to the forums Jason! :hi:

Yep. ineedhits is just a very new partner so they are not well known. I do not use a partner for Ink so I have no experience with any of them.

[Blue]

:hi:

BTW, is your LA Louisana or Los Angeles. (No need to answer if you don't want to, I was just curious :) ).

[JuniorHarris]

Welcome Jason!~

LA - Could be Lower Alabama!~ ;)

[SubmissoR]

Where I work, we have about paid for about 30 pages. All where optimized for google, and come up in the mid 20's on Ink. (top 10 in google)

All the pages get a few hits a day each. spread between the inkt patners..

I think I need a whole seperate set of pages for ink...

[ihelpyou]

ALl the Ink partners have their own algos to deal with so not sure with optimizing for Ink would be the way to go. I would stick with Google.

[markymark]

Hi everyone, I'm back. Work has eased off, frustrated clients are happy bunnies again.

Anyhow, Doug, there is virtually no difference in Algo between the various Ink partners, but I would agree that there is little point creating pages just for Ink engines. My guess is that the Google success for submissoR is a result of good keyword proximity, whereas the less successful Ink results are down to not really attacking the first 30 or so words of each page and making sure that the description tag is very well optimised.

I may be wrong, but it's a thought.

[MsSearch]

Is there a representative from Position Tech here?

[ihelpyou]

Not that I know of yet. ineedhits is here but not PT.

[MsSearch]

I guess I just have to be patient then .. :steaming: ... i already sent them an email...with no response yet