Pleased or Displeased?

[Cavetoad]

OK,
anyone using the paid submit service for Ink, pleased or displeased? Are you seeing the traffic or not? Good results? Better than without?

I'm trying to pitch the idea to the higher-ups to fund some submssions. So far from what I've seen mostly people like it and are happy with it.
Any other thoughts? Anyone who regrets it? Spend it elsewhere?

I'm thinking it would be great for the few specific URLs that the bosses really want to do well, give them that extra special edge.

thanks!

[ihelpyou]

I would not know about this, but explain to the bosses that just because they pay does not mean they get ranks. The page has to be optimized real good. As far as I know, there are no boosts given to paid pages over the free way, but maybe I am mistaken as I have never paid.

I should add that the big benefit is that you can tweak your way to the top as the page is respidered every 48 hours, or suppose to be anyway.

[Cavetoad]

Oh yes Of course they will need to be all setup
that's not a problem. I am looking at the spidering and the ability to constantly tweak with a 48hr turnaround.
that's the boost I'm talking about. No waiting.
( just like the good ol' AV days back in 97-98! )

[ihelpyou]

yeppers CaveToad. There are a few members in here who pay to be spidered thru PT so maybe they will speak up and tell their experiences.

[MsSearch]

I have been using PT since last March and have been pretty happy with it. I have had few problems with the 48 hr reindexing as sometimes there is a glitch in the system and it doesn't update but that happens once in a blue moon and its usually not a big deal.

I do seem to get a lot of traffic from my Inktomi listings, according to their referral stats and my logs so I cannot complain about that.

I do see the 48 hr refresh as beneficial. It's great for trying out new techniques and content edits...if your changes/edits negatively affect your rankings you can change them back and only be affected for a few days rather than months...

I haven't made up my mind yet about renewing...i still have a couple months before i need to start renewing some sites...the big dilemna here is the price increase....as I've been paying $12/url.

[sanity]

I am also happy with PT and have been using it for about 2 months. One of the advantages (for the site I am using it for) is the regular refreshes, as the site's content is suited to this. I also get good ranks and traffic from the Inktomi partners. Two slight issues:

* The 48hr refreshes are taking more like 72-96 at the moment.

* My rankings have dropped majorly in HotBot for the past 6 or so days. A site I have in there for free has also dropped. I have posted about this in the HotBot forums and a few people have said they have noticed the same but no light has been shed so far. That being said far more beneficial is the traffic from MSN and for me, NineMSN than HotBot.

sanity

[Kal]

Yep, more than happy with Inktomi via PT. Great refreshes and good rankings. Plus results are echoed on major Inktomi partners very quickly. Why don't you try your main URL first, measure traffic for a month and then add the others? The bulk discounts are cumulative, so you can wait weeks between each one and still get the bulk discount when you hit the magic number 20.

cheers

[MazY]

I was actually doing the math yesterday on whether we will renew with PT next year or not.

From a traffic point of view, not really worth shouting about. But, I have always had a theory (partially backed up by stats from client sites that we have) about some search engines being used more by home users for finding products while others are used by companies looking for services. I believe that most of the Ink partners are home engines for products.

The refreshes, as another poster mentioned, are more like 72 to 96 hour at present but it's still a good refresh period.

At this moment in time I use it for no more than testing out new content and theories but certainly don't rely on it for traffic.

[Scook]

NOT.

I am seeing zero traffic. I've done all the tweaks, and what annoys me the most is that during signup NOWHERE did I see that I couldn't rotate multiple sites through the search submission. I've got several sites to push, and ONLY after 30 days in did I get blocked. Requested support; they told me that after your first 30 days, you can only rotate sites / pages from the same domain.

This service stinks. I've had 0 hits in 4 months.

[MakeMeTop]

Probably average around 2-3K referrals a day over 100 odd sites. Well worth every cent (IMHO). It's picking the phrases which is the key ;)

>I've got several sites to push...

Well - for $30 bucks did you really think they would let you promote every site for a single payment?

[SubmissoR]

Inkt has been way worth it for me and my company, its putting me at the top af almost all my phrases in aol right now, which also just paid off big time for the christmas season...

[MsSearch]

Inktomi listings have paid off, especially now on AOL....I am seeing great rankings on all client sites in AOL making their Paid Inclusion fee well worth the investment.

[Scook]

Originally posted by MakeMeTop
Probably average around 2-3K referrals a day over 100 odd sites. Well worth every cent (IMHO). It's picking the phrases which is the key ;)

>I've got several sites to push...

Well - for $30 bucks did you really think they would let you promote every site for a single payment?

Yes. The did not tell me otherwise. I know.....it's only 30 bucks. But I'd much rather spenc 130 bucks and get ACTION.

I have optimized; I have tweaked; I have worked my metas until they are dead. I have worked my titles. I have worked it all. Inktomi just plain stinks.

[MsSearch]

:hi: Scook--

are you talking about the site in your profile? If so, I would rework the Metas, Title tag and add some keyword-rich content to the index page. Just a suggestion if this is the site mentioned in your previous posts...

[ihelpyou]

Welcome to the forums scook! :hi:

[Scook]

Originally posted by MsSearch
:hi: Scook--

are you talking about the site in your profile? If so, I would rework the Metas, Title tag and add some keyword-rich content to the index page. Just a suggestion if this is the site mentioned in your previous posts...


Not necessarily; that site I have no ability to rework. Which is one of the reasons I'm upset. Now I can't change back to the ones I've tweaked; because there are two others which I'd submitted during that "trial" first 30 days which had all kinds of tweaks done.

Still, I had NO hits.

[Kal]

Welcome scook :hi:

Are you counting traffic coming from Inktomi partners AOL, MSN, iWon & HotBot? Assuming your site is optimized adequately (which it may not be), the true value of Inktomi spidering is in the traffic from partners. Nearly 30% of my hits come from MSN these days - something I attribute to inktomi spidering.

If you don't currently have the ability to edit all your web site/s, you should change hosts/designers so that you do. Without full control over your content, you will find it very difficult to improve your position in search engines.

[MsSearch]

IMO, I would pay for all those pages you want spidered by Inktomi and once indexed, tweak until you achieve your desired rankings. With the price hike, it may not be worth it to some people...

Even with switching URL's, once you swap out a URL, it gets dropped from the Inktomi database so all the tweaking you've done to that page for Inktomi and its partners was done for nothing.

As Kal mentioned, you need full control over your content and website changes for optimization purposes.

[ihelpyou]

Even with switching URL's, once you swap out a URL, it gets dropped from the Inktomi database so all the tweaking you've done to that page for Inktomi and its partners was done for nothing.
Is that a fact? Oh my. Does your url actually get dumped from Ink if you change which one with PositionTech? Oh my.

[Sonora]

Yes, it gets dumped from Ink if you replace it with a different URL, but from what i've heard (not personal experience) if your URL was previously in Ink via free sub or inktomi crawling, it will reappear soon after.

if it was never in ink before the PT submission, then buh bye :hi:

[ihelpyou]

Thanks for that Sonora! That sounds a tad bit better but is there any guarantees that your url will "reappear"?

[MakeMeTop]

There are never any guarantees! However, when I first started using PT I put in pages that were already listed in Inktomi's 'Best of Web' index to see if I could tweak them. First of all I got two Inktomi listings - one I could adjust - one stayed static. This then changed to just the BOW listing. I then took this out of paid inclusion. Sure enough it disappeared completely 3 days later. I was advised that if it was in the main Inktomi BOW database it would re-appear at the next main update. I bit my nails for 3 weeks and it did re-appear.

The moral is that you don't put pages that are already listed in Inktomi's BOW index in paid inclusion. However, this does not effect other free Inktomi listings which may not be in their fairly static BOW index.

[buckworks.com]

Even with switching URL's, once you swap out a URL, it gets dropped from the Inktomi database so all the tweaking you've done to that page for Inktomi and its partners was done for nothing.

This did not happen to me. I have two PT listings which I've been rotating for a few weeks. One of my pages is doing well and there were no discernible negative effects when I rotated my PT account to a different URL. In fact, it actually rose a notch for a key term - to #2 on AOL. (I think that was because of someone else going down, rather than me going up, if that makes sense.)

I've been pleased enough with Inktomi that I intend to list a few more URLs with PT, to play with tweaking and rotating.

Elisabeth Archambault

[LaCroix]

I think this paid Ink ****s!!! As for the refresh rate being 48 hours, that is a joke, it has been six days now and notda! 0 hits, 0 refresh! 0 INK

[markymark]

hang on La Croix, you have sites that haven't been refreshed in six days ? Are you sure ? It can get a little slow, but six days ? I am also beginning to think that the Positiontech reporting of whether a site has been refreshed (and the click through data thing) is actually a little behind what is actually happening.

So you end up with even more confusion as sometimes Ink isn't spidering as it should, sometimes the partners aren't updating as they should and sometimes PT isn't updating it's info when it should. I might be wrong about this, but I have seen descriptions update before PT is showing that they have been refreshed.

[ihelpyou]

Welcome to the forums LaCroix! :hi:

I can't help you there as I have never paid for Inktomi.

[sounds]

My site was submitted 3 months ago since I've created another popular site that needed hits right away.

So as a dumbass, I submitted to the early deal where they included 2 sites at a cheaper price. I submitted the new site then included my old popular site as a extra for the cheaper price.

DO NOT MAKE THIS MISTAKE!!

Now the only way for people to find either site is to make a direct request for the domain name: (www.domain.com)

OK let's add it up! The new site was submitted to Yahoo! And within a week was accepted. (unknown to all who submit to Yahoo)

Yahoo hits since submission: 400,000
Inktomi hits since submission: 319

Both sites lost hits ever since signing up with Inktomi, the original site lost the Top listings, and I cannot submit to the the Top search engines because Inktomi has my sites already listed.

Once I signed up with Inktomi this dumped all my listings with all the major search engines, AOL, MSN, DMOZ. On my original listings I was a Top site now it's difficult to find.

Bob

PS: How can I get out of this program with complete deletions on every seach engines.

[ihelpyou]

Welcome to the forums sounds! :hi:

Are the sites the same content? This is the only thing I can think of that would cause your problem. Otherwise, paying Ink has little to do with ranks on Yahoo, dmoz, etc. I do know that duplicate content cannot be in the index.

[MsSearch]

:hi: sounds and welcome...

if you want to get out of Inktomi and you are currently using the Paid Inclusion...just swap out your URLs or see if you can delete them from your account...then wait for the other Inktomi-powered engines to update ...