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WebSavvy
03-09-2004, 23:30/11:30PM
Many search engines and directories are being listed in automated rank checking software against the wishes of the search engine or directory owners.

My own directory has become a target of ranking checking software as well.

I've placed a robots.txt DISALLOW to my search form. Any bot that obeys protocol would have obeyed it, but NOT Ranking Manager (http://www.websitemanagementtools.com/).

The bot identifies itself when it's scraping the pages, so banning it through robots.txt should have worked -- if it was a compliant bot.

I've sent email notification to Michael Lange of Sophtware Inc., developer of this noncompliant software, and requested that my directory be removed from his software.

He's been contacted three separate times and to no avail. He has not complied with the request to remove my property from his software.

My permission to add it to his software was never obtained, nor was it ever sought. We have a published TOS (http://www.websavvy.cc/TOS.php) which specifically prohibits automated query (data mining) of our server and data.

Three days ago, I changed the URL of our search page. Mr. Lange followed by fixing his software to again query our server. This very act alone shows willful and deliberate disregard for our published TOS.

Blocking this software at the server level is not possible as it's ran from the user PC and shows the IP of the user.

So, I've written a script that will change the variables on our search page at a regular interval. The code for doing so, I will make open source.

Any search engine owner or directory owner who would like to protect their data and stop the harassment of automated software violating their server, may PM me and ask for the codes.

At this point, I'm not sure publishing the code openly would be a wise idea, although, even so, it wouldn't help the scum software producers anyway.

ihelpyou
04-09-2004, 00:05/12:05AM
No, keep the code private and only hand it out once you have "verified" who is asking for it.

All those programs will try their best to scrape results and query search engine databases. I'm sure this code could be used against WPG software as well, right? The majors may be interested in this code. :)

WebSavvy
04-09-2004, 00:10/12:10AM
Yes, I had already planned to verify the request first before supplying the codes to anyone.

Yes, the code would also stop software such as WPG and *ANY* other automated query software out there, as well.

We've already implemented on WebSavvy and it will also be implemented in all of WebSavvy's data partners. So, any auto-query developer reading this who may be getting the bright idea to slam our data partners, you can forget it.

:D

Quadrille
04-09-2004, 04:44/04:44AM
Does Ranking Manager list the sources they steal from? might be neighbourly to let them know about this thread!

Good to see a solution was found to a very nasty problem!

WebSavvy
04-09-2004, 05:29/05:29AM
Surprisingly. the owner of the Ranking Manager software is a member here, Sophtware. His real name is Michael Lange, some of you may remember him from the legal scrap over TopDog software? Yep, same guy.

Ranking Manager does list the engines they steal from on their engines page. Currently, there are over 400 of them listed.

loki
06-09-2004, 14:36/02:36PM
perhaps they should be called 'Rank Manager'.

WAB!

WebSavvy
07-09-2004, 12:21/12:21PM
LOL loki!

Well, he apparently must have worked on his software and caught a small window when the variables functioned for his "test" because he listed us on the what's new page of his site as having been fixed last night.

I just tested it, and his crap is broken again. Once he figures out that he'll never be able to keep up, he'll gladly delete us from his software.

Some people just are so pig-headed they have be taught the hard way. :green:

We've had more than a few other directory owners asking for a copy of the script I've written. So the more we can band together to stop automated crap like that, the better off we'll all be. :)

ihelpyou
07-09-2004, 13:18/01:18PM
http://websitemanagementtools.com/ranking-manager/whats-new.php

Now maybe we will get him to notice. :D That's a page that tells of "fixes" to the software. LOL

Your script can put a stop to ALL automated rank check software. The internet would be much better off as a rank on a phrase means almost zero anyway. Most all search engines forbid the automated querying of their databases. Any program which does not respect a robots.txt file is "evil".

This will put a big damper on those programs that first; don't abide by robots.txt, and second; don't abide by the stated TOS's of the search engines.

WebSavvy
13-09-2004, 01:34/01:34AM
He's listed us as "fixed" again as of the 12th. Pity. His crap was broken again just an hour later.

Seems this guy likes to learn the hard way. Our Lawyers will be getting in touch with him now. This has gone on long enough.

WebSavvy
20-09-2004, 02:57/02:57AM
Ranking-Manager Updates: (http://websitemanagementtools.com/ranking-manager/whats-new.php)

September 20th, 2004 - 1.0.17.121 Engine Release 115

Engines Added: Google Norwegian

Engines Fixed: A9, AOL France (mondial), Cipinet, Goo, Google Portugal (de Portugal), Kanoodle, Sir Search, Yahoo Deutschland

Engines Deleted: WebSavvy

:thebomb: :thebomb: :thebomb:

Bernard
20-09-2004, 11:20/11:20AM
Another success story. Congrats Deb.

ihelpyou
20-09-2004, 11:45/11:45AM
LOL. He finally gave up. Great news!! :up: