Anyone Heard of Cloudninepbs?

[fisher318]

Hey,

Has anyone heard of Cloudninepbs.com, using I-frame search technology?

I have a client asking me about them, and it just doesn't look like that's the way the Interent is moving. Does anyone else have any feedback they can offer?:confused:

[ihelpyou]

LOL What will the scammers think of next?

That is not helping a website at all! Se's don't read iframes and a site in a iframe gets zero benefit from them.

Amazing stuff. To top it off, many browsers don't support iframes. The sad part is, many out there will fall for this scam.

[fisher318]

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. But if you go their view large demo, they have statistics showing the last 100 people that have downloaded the I-Frame supporting download that supposedly cause people's searches to be changed into this I-Frame search results. I would hate to continue searching that way, but this guy says they have over 16 million people using this technology. It's amazing I've never heard of it before.

[ihelpyou]

It's simply based on the same crap the "keyword" stuff is with people having to download something to search. If you buy into this, you only get visitors that have actually downloaded their "spyware".

It's nothing but scumware/spyware, and nothing but a HUGE scam of truly large porportions.

[ihelpyou]

Does it surprise anyone it's another scammer based in Las Vegas? LOL

Registrant:
cloud nine llc
3016 high tide ct
las vegas, Nevada 89117
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com
Domain Name: CLOUDNINEPBS.COM
Created on: 21-Aug-03
Expires on: 21-Aug-05
Last Updated on: 09-Sep-04

Administrative Contact:
raskin, kathleen sales@cloudninepbs.com
cloud nine llc 7341 West Charleston Suite 110 Las Vegas, NV 89117
,
United States
702-804-1677
Technical Contact:
, customerservice@networksolutions.com
Network Solutions, LLC.
13200 Woodland Park Drive
Herndon, Virginia 20171-3025
United States
1-888-642-9675 Fax -- 571-434-4620

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.DNSJUNCTION.COM
NS2.DNSJUNCTION.COM

[ihelpyou]

We can always dig up more dirt on companies like this. There is always a trail of filth and dirt and scum and crap with these types:

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&q=%22cloud+nine+llc%22

Check out the links listed. Remember that site is owned by "Cloud Nine".

Check this one for sure:

http://www.netcom3global.com/purchase-site-targeted-traffic-web.html

That's a link to Cloud Nine.

There is sooooo much more crap and scum.

[fisher318]

Thanks for the help. I also spoke with one of their "clients" who said they bought from a company called Rocket Placement or Rocket Position that was a reseller for this service and they skipped town with their money. He also said that he has never received any benefit from that marketing.

So, thanks again. It is nice to be able to bounce things off of other professionals to get feedback. Have a great evening!

[ihelpyou]

Oh Yes. I think we can find other threads in here about that "rocket" scum outfit as well.

It's truly sad stuff that our industry is so full of rot and decay and the lowest of the low-life's.

I think there are thousands of resellers for this cloud nine outfit. Why is it that many of these scum companies are based in Las Vegas? I don't understand.

[Dan0]

Originally posted by ihelpyou
Does it surprise anyone it's another scammer based in Las Vegas?
There are many advantages to incorporating in Nevada, so it doesn't surprise me to see any business enterprise doing so.

[ihelpyou]

Yeah. I'm referring to Traffic Power/1p and other scam artists who are based in Las Vegas.

Even if a legitimate business, the association with having your address in Las Vegas is not a good thing these days. :)

[WebSavvy]

Doug, he or she, may actually LIVE in Las Vegas and just Incorporated in their state of residence, as do many people.

You can't paint all Nevada based businesses with the same TP brush! It isn't fair.

But, maybe you're one of those people who believes that no one lives in Las Vegas? ;)

I lived there for more than 20 years, went to JHS and HS there, as well. Vegas has a huge tourist industry with most visitors coming there believing that there are no houses, just hotels.

I remember being at the Mall once and some woman (a tourist) thought that everyone who worked in the hotels and casino's also lived in them because LV doesn't have houses. I said, "Sure we do. There's houses here just like there are in any city in any state."

Her next question was, "Where at in the desert do they hide them then?" :rolleyes:

[ihelpyou]

http://yellowpages.heraldextra.com/Cloud+Nine+LLC.327668.17294156.home.html

I've dug up more stuff about Cloud Nine. Seems that address is in Utah. One reason I've revived this thread is that I "just" got off the phone with a poor woman who found out about this company "after" she already gave them $5000 for this bogus service.

She said this company had been calling and calling and calling until she finally gave in.

I think this really stinks. They are praying off people who are naive, and they have a very good sales pitch just like traffic power did. We all need to get the word out about this. She thought they were legit and actually did SEO for quick results.

Oh sure, some of you can say "buyer beware", but OUR industry is still fairly new. This is not the plumbing or building industry that has been around for over one hundred years already. This is the website building industry, that's still merely ten years old or so.

[ihelpyou]

It appears many have fallen for this "spyware" installed on their computers, and promises of lots of visitors:

http://www.techvibes.com/idealbb/view2321.html

[Connie]

Real scumbags. I will certainly do my little bit to spread the word.

[champions]

They got me. They were smooth and fast talking. After the sale it didn't take long to realize I was scammed. I put up a page with my experience with the hope it might warn others. Here is the page:

[url no longer works - mod]

Tom

[ihelpyou]

Welcome Tom! :hi:

Sorry to hear you fell for this.

I'm very sorry that "our" laws seem to be real behind with jailing these types of firms who prey on people that are fairly new to the internet.

That's a good writeup you have.

I think this really needs to be spread around the internet in a big way. These companies must be stopped. I also suggest you get a good computer person to check your computer real well, and get all the files deleted from it that were installed with that software "update" as they call it.

Remember this:

If it sounds to good to be true, it must be false. You have to trust your basic instincts. There are predators in our industry just like with any other industry.

[ihelpyou]

Wow.

http://www.cnpbs.com/seodemo/
At cnpbs.com we are commited to making your site the most sought after destination, the ultimate traffic stopper. Professional SEO Specialists will improve your ranking using ethical and organic website promotion and website optimization services.
They don't do SEO for anyone. They don't know how. They do know how to deceive people into installing their toolbar/spyware.

I am stunned that the FTC and even Nevada laws have not stopped them as of yet. They are not even representing truly what they actually do on their website.

Couldn't Google or Yahoo sue them for the types of ways they are using them in their "sales pitch"? I would think this would be something that Google or Yahoo could put a stop to real easily.

[ihelpyou]

Hold on:

http://www.webmenu.com/docs/terms/index.html

There ya go. That is the ACTUAL owner of this iFrame crap.

I'll bet big money that the same people are affiliated with cloud nine in a very intimate way.

Did anyone who "got taken" by this get presented that "terms of service" BEFORE they ordered? Read that thing.

Registrant:
Webmenu
11684 Ventura Blvd., Suite 873
Studio City, CA 91604
US

Domain Name: WEBMENU.COM

Administrative Contact:
Thyne, Kathryn k_thyne@HOTMAIL.COM
11684 VENTURA BLVD # 873
STUDIO CITY, CA 91604-2699
US
818-761-7731 fax: 818-753-0224
I would be calling this "Kathryn" person, the owner of this software to get the facts about what is going on.

[ihelpyou]

Oh my.

http://www.webmenu.com/docs/advertising_solutions/index.htm

They are using the Google logo and the Google search results to show their "sponsored" ads on the page. They are claiming they are actual partners of Google with these ads. Oh my.

They don't state anywhere on that page that ONLY people who install their toolbar will see the ads. Oh my.

I am quite shocked at the blatant copyright issues, and the blatant misrepresentation of the facts this company is engaging in.

[WebSavvy]

I've seen quite a few companies lately pushing their services using Google logo's as part of their sales pitch.

[Connie]

Hi Tom and welcome. :hi:
that was a very good detailed writeup.

[ihelpyou]

Remember "Gator" and how they use to have a piggyback program in many toolbars?

Remember how they had advertisers who gave them money and the ads would "overlay" the ads of the website being viewed by the toolbar of the browser?

Remember how this was viewed as Illegal by the courts and forced Gator to change their business model?

This is "exactly" what webmenu.com and cloud nine is doing with their toolbar. They solicit "advertisers" and sell them on "keywords". They solicit internet users to download their toolbar.

The toolbar is full of advertisers who have been taken by slick talking phone people into giving them money.

Only people with their toolbar can view the ads from their advertisers.

In this webmenu and cloud nine case; The search engines being displayed by their toolbar happen to be the majors which include Google and Yahoo.

Webmenu.com is "Overlaying" their advertisers ads over the top of the Google Adwords and the Yahoo PPC advertisers. In other words, webmenu is stealing the ads from Google and Yahoo and replacing those ads with their own.

Have you all figured this out yet?

I thought I would be crystal clear as to what is going on. I don't think Google or Yahoo would be happy campers about this. The only way to see what they are doing is to download the toolbar and view all their advertiser's ads which are blocking out Google Adwords and the Yahoo ads.

Go ahead, check it.

This is what is called blatant "theft". Not only is this firm stealing from Google and Yahoo, but they are stealing from unsuspecting people with websites who this firm gets their grubby hands on, and then selling them something that is not what the people think they are buying.

It's a total scam all the way around.

[WebSavvy]

I had no idea that that's what they were doing. We kept saying it'd take a "big" website getting ripped off before anything would be done to stop scumbags like this.

Now that maybe it's Google & Yahoo's websites that are being tampered with, something good may finally come of it.

Interesting though that the technology they're using is Mirazo from Meltingpoint Technologies.

Meltingpoint tried this business a while back and infected tons of computers. They were eventually driven out of business and even their main website meltingpoint.com is now for sale.

[WebSavvy]

Here's some background about Meltingpoint. I wonder if the same people that were behind Meltingpoint might be the same ones behind some of these other scummy companies too that are doing the same things?

Meltingpoint launches 'ad-squatting' technology (http://www.e-consultancy.com/newsfeatures/10505/meltingpoint-launches-ad-squatting-technology.html)

Now you see it, now you don't (http://www.e-consultancy.com/newsfeatures/10505/meltingpoint-launches-ad-squatting-technology.html)

Google SERP: meltingpoint technologies (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=meltingpoint+technologies&btnG=Search)

[2mentors]

Woohoo! Thank you for posting this forum about these guys. I can't believe this has been going on for some time. We were in a vulnerable moment (somehow, we usually look into these things before investing any money) and they slammed us for about $1,000! Not a minute after we put it through, the red flag went up for us and we started researching and found this forum.

We asked for our money back and of course they said no, so we started calling others we found using this service including people who were used as testimonials and they all said, "Scam! Run as fast as you can!" We even recorded the original conversation with them saying Disney and Chase were their customers and contacted them too.

Needless to say, we got our money back from our credit card company but not without gathering plenty of proof about these people. We also have more of an education regarding iframes and SEO. It's so hard to believe these kinds of operations are still happening on this kind of scale. Would you believe their sales people are still calling to prospect us???!!! Unbelievable!

Thank you again!
B&K

[Connie]

Hi 2mentors and welcome. :hi:

[Blue]

Welcome to the forums B&K!

And chalk one up for the good guys!!!

:cheers:

[villa4vacation]

Hey, guys
I am new to this forum...
Our SEO team just was contacted by Advantage Commerce
who is pushing webmenu publishers solution for about $500/keyword per 6 month
After reading this tread I was wondering...
They claim that Chase, Chrysler and Travelocity are their clients and they do apprea for certain keywords once you download their toolbar.
However, how legal is what they do and also how many people might be using their toolbar?
i know people use google, yahoo and Alexa toolbars but I never herd of webmenu until their salesperson called.

Their main sales pitch is that they were in business since 1995 and millions of people are using their toolbar.

Any advise?
Thanks

Roz

[Blue]

Run!!!

[villa4vacation]

Pretty simple advise

[ihelpyou]

Welcome! :hi:

Think about it; the ONLY people who would see your ad are the people who loaded up the toolbar. What does that tell you?

And also; you have never heard of them. Neither have I, nor their toolbar, so what does that tell you?

As Blue stated:

RUN!!!!

It's actually quite a no-brainer, don't you think? Why wouldn't you fix the sites instead of putting on a bandaide that won't work anyway? Why not actually do some real SEO on the site?

I'm not getting people even thinking about this stuff. It just makes no sense that people would even consider this stuff. :)

[Connie]

Anyone who uses Spam email to advertise their services should be avoided at all cost.

[villa4vacation]

Thanks so much for your help
We do real SEO, lot of it...(metas,keywords,content, etc)

We also spend lots of money on PPC with all usual suspects (Yahoo, Google, MSN, even ASK)
But it is a human nature to believe in tales
:-)))

Another good example is
http://www.infosearchmedia.com
http://www.contentlogic.com

They tried to sell us "leased content"
Very shady proposition that most likely helps to become banned by Google and others...
Thanks to other forum, we did not go for that stuff...

Any other interesting SEO ideas are going to be very much appreciated.

[ihelpyou]

You also did good by not going with those two as well. ALL of it is a farce and very bad stuff.

Building a great site is all you need for "SEO". PPC is not SEO. PPC falls under the larger category of "SEM".

[villa4vacation]

Thanks to all.
We'll keep in touch...