Please Help me get in

[thinksuccess]

Hi,

I have a site that I can't in DMOZ not matter what I try. The same site is in Yahoo and Google. I have another site that I got in DMOZ in 2 days? I'm confused. I've emailed the editor with no response, re submitted and I just can't get added. Any help you be appreciated. The site is http://digital-cables.com

Thanks,

ThinkSuccess

[ihelpyou]

Patience thinksuccess. That's it.

Only submit one time. We have a few threads in here discussing this. Sometimes sites get in quickly, sometimes it takes Months. Do not resubmit and do not email an editor unless it has been 2-3 months since you submitted.

[Advisor]

I would try a different category. That way you'll get a different editor, which may be more responsive.

You might also try a different description. Don't know what you've used, but make sure to keep it short and to the point. Perhaps whatever your description is in Yahoo would be good.

Jill

[sanity]

Hi ThinkSuccess,

How long ago did you submit your site??

sanity

[thinksuccess]

it's been 3 months now.

[sanity]

After 3 months I think it would be reasonable to re-submit your site. It may also be worthwhile to double check that your category is correct as well as the description etc.

Here are 2 good reference sites for submitting:
http://www.searchengineworld.com/misc/odp.htm
http://www.laisha.com/odp.html

Generally after submitting the first time I would wait about 6-8 weeks and then try submitting again. If you still have trouble I would check if the category has an editor and if so email them, if not go up one category and email that editor. Again if no editor in that cat keep moving up till you find one. Keep your email brief and to the point and include the following information:

Your name, your site's name, and your site URL
When you submitted the site
Name any other editors you've contacted (if this is not your first contact)
What you submitted as a description
The specific category you submitted to (ex: Business/Employment/Staffing_Services/Specialty_Services)

Explain the situation and ask if there is a problem with your site.

Hope this helps.

Good Luck!!

sanity

PS Let us know how you go.

[bigDugan]

I would try a different category. That way you'll get a different editorThis is a very good idea.

I know how you feel about not getting a site listed in DMOZ, because I have a site that is #1 on every SE out there, but can't get DMOZ to list it.

I've been trying for years to get it re-listed. They pulled my site a couple of years ago and replaced it with a copy-cat site who even STOLE MY CODE byte for byte !!!:horns:

This is the MAJOR problem with "human-edited" sites. DMOZ isn't the ONLY one that's doing it. It pays to NOSE someone. I don't use them anymore.

Have you seen the part of the DMOZ Submission Agreement that states:To grant Netscape Communications Corporation a non-exclusive, royalty-free license to use, publish, copy, edit, modify, or create derivative works from my submission I think this is what happened to my site and WHY I won't use them again.

Why would anyone want to give NCC the right to copy their sites?!? Does that bother anyone else, or is it just me?

[markymark]

I'm no lawyer, but surely the key phrase there is 'from my submission'. This gives them license to edit your title and description, provide their database to partner sites (like Google) and so forth. I would doubt that it gives them permission to steal your site. Any one with a husband who's a lawyer want to chip in on this ;)

[bigDugan]

Right, I'm no lawyer either, but their "submission agreement" doesn't say: license to edit your title and description, provide their database to partner sites (like Google) and so forth it says (http://dmoz.org/cgi-bin/add.cgi?where=Computers/Internet/Searching/Search_Engines) (3rd bulleted item under "Submission Agreement" near the bottom) grant Netscape... a non-exclusive, royalty-free license to...copy...or create derivative works from my submission"Copy" and "Derivative Works" don't sound like typical title and description edits to me.

I found this quote about DMOZ How to add a site to the Open Directory (http://dmoz.org/add.html):If a site you submitted has not been listed after three weeks, you may submit it again or you may send an e-mail to an editor of the category for which the site was submitted

[Advisor]

...one with a husband who's a lawyer want to chip in on this Well, as my lawyer hubby told me the last time I sent him a snippet from a contract/agreement, you simply can't make judgements on a contract by seeing it out of context. We would need to read the entire agreement in it's context to know what it is they're up to and what they mean by all that.

Jill

[bigDugan]

Here's the link again to their submission agreement, I won't disguise it this time!;)

http://dmoz.org/cgi-bin/add.cgi?where=Computers/Internet/Searching/Search_Engines

Might be someone's wife who is a lawyer too!;)

[Advisor]

Well, it's not very clear on that particular page, but if you read their entire Terms of Use which they link to on that page, it explains it better with this simple note:Copyright Assignment

(Note: If you are only submitting an URL(s) to be included in the directory, this copyright assignment only applies to the site description that you want included in the ODP, but doesn't extend to the actual web site or its content). They're not trying to say they can do anything to you site, just your description as it appears in DMOZ.

But I ain't no lawyer!

J

[bigDugan]

I believe "copyright assignment" and "derivative works" are two very different things.

[markymark]

I still maintain - and Jill's quote from the terms and conditions backs me up - that this only applies to what is included in the submission not the actual website itself, although I must admit to being a little concerned by that mention of 'derivative works' myself.

Apart from SEO, web design, sales and marketing, I was in the music biz for a while and that is the only place I have seen that term used in a contract before.

[Alan Perkins]

I'm with marky and Jill.

You are not submitting a whole site. You are submitting a suggested title, description and category for a site. ODP editors may edit all three of those things before publishing. If they do, they are technically creating a derivative work of your submission. They need your permission to do this, and they have it.

[bigDugan]

Alan, that may be the case, and this is what I keep trying to tell myself, but it seems to be as clear as mud! I also can't understand why it says:If you are only submitting an URL(s) as it seems as if the ONLY thing I can submit IS URL(s)! :confused:

Maybe I should try submitting with a plate of brownies!:D

[ihelpyou]

Maybe I should try submitting with a plate of brownies!
:green: