Spam Email = Spammy SEO

[ihelpyou]

This firm finally sent me an email. At least, the "link exchange" firm sent it "on behalf" of them.

I had knew for along time how they have thousands of incoming links, and how they have remained at the top of SEO terms for along time.

I think it truly bites, and I also think it's highly unethical. How many things do you see wrong with this email? I can think of quite a few. Just the fact it does "not" address me at all, nor does it have a clue as to "who" they spammed with their silly email. They never visited my site. They don't know nor realize my email address they scarfed up from rogue robots.

Too many things wrong and unethical with this. I have not even mentioned the SEO techniques involved. You be the judge.

Before some of you say "you are a competitor" of them".... You are right! I am a competitor of seoinc. So what? I'm sick and tired of spammy firms using spam email to gain links and clients.

Before some of you say "it works; as look where they are on Google". I say; "SO WHAT?"

Is this the type of firm you all wish to be associated with?

People wonder why our industry has a bad reputation? sheesh.

Hello!

I came across your site and I was wondering if you would like to increase user traffic and exchange links with this website, as our sites are very much relevant we would like to propose a link exchange partnership that could be beneficial to our sites.

We are offering triangle link which is more effective and helpful for your website.

Please link to our site and we'll reciprocate soon we get your confirmation mail along with your link text info.

The link info our site is :-

URL: http://www.seoinc.com
TITLE: Search Engine Optimization
DESCRIPTION: SEO Inc. uses proven Search Engine Placement techniques to rank more sites in more top positions than anyone in the business.

We will put your link on the site named:

http://www.hannahdesign.net

The exact link address of the link page is:


http://www.hannahdesign.net/business-directory/software.htm

This will bring a lot of relevant traffic to both of us. Hope to hear soon from you and a positive reply. As the crawling by google is expected we would like to take the benefit of adding the links right now so that both of us get better backward linking and also PR will be updated.


We look forward to a long and mutually beneficial relationship.

Thanking You

Regards!

Sonal
Link Exchange Manager
sonal.linkexchange@gmail.com
PURE spam.

Amazing. You get a link in some bogus and spammy directory that requires a link back. "You" then get to link to seoinc. You "don't" get a link from seoinc however. LOLOL

NOW: Go ahead; Bash me for "outing" this spam firm and email. I'm sick of the BS in this industry.

Also note; This link exchange firm is using Google's Gmail to send out spam email. :)

Also Note; The "subject" of the email received was this:

"Invitation from www.seoinc.com"

It was addressed to my email of the forums:

doug@ihelpyouservices.com

Amazing.

[Connie]

I wonder how much longer their spammy techniques will continue to work?

[g1smd]

A friend of mine is a teacher and travels around the country with a specialised science presentation.

He constantly gets requests to link to sites about car parks!! and once a month also gets some SEO firm promising massive a traffic increase if he hires them. The thing is, he visits a massive number of schools per year, every school within 200km knows he exisits, and he couldn't take any extra bookings unless he could be in two places at once.

Some people!

Your email above is pure spam, and is very poorly written too. The grammar is abysmal.

[ihelpyou]

Yep. Very bad. To think a SEO firm who "some" out there "worship" as gods, is allowing and hiring this link exchange firm to "spam" for them in order to acquire links for Google. LOL

search engine optimization

That's one of numerous terms they rank on. "Many" website owners get duped into using their services because they spam their way to the top.

And keep in mind; "Many" out there in our industry, ... yes I said "many", think this firm is king shite of the SEO world. Yeah, king shite alright; Nice email.

They spammed the wrong guy this time.

[Dave Hawley]

Doug, why not pass the email onto Google and let them know that this company is using gmail to spam for PR gain?

[nuthin]

we got a few link exchange requests like this from seo inc to the company i work full time for and my freelance seo biz.

i just ignore all these link requests unless some are of genuine benefit (very rarely).

maybe try passing them onto google with email headers etc in-tact, if they get a whole heap, they might do something or not.

[ihelpyou]

The thing is; forget about the actual technique this company uses to acquire links. Think about the poor unknowledgeable webmasters who buy into this link crap and actually link to seoinc and receive one back from a bogus directory? Guess who wins? Why yes; seoinc wins everytime.

It's "Unethical" business. Period.

[Jim_Hedger]

I received similar SPAM emails at all three active Email accounts I maintain. So did other staff members at SF.

Since I am an open minded sort of guy (who sees SEOInc as a primary competitor for my KWTargets), I decided the fair and balanced thing to do was to write Garry Grant to see what he had to say about all this.

I am still awaiting a response. I would settle for a PR rep but I would be really happy to speak with or communicate via Email with Garry specifically.

[ihelpyou]

My goodness.

I have no desire to speak with him. I've known for along time what they do and how. Because I know many see them as kings, I've not said much until I had the beef.

You would think they would "know" how to research a link exchange firm, and not want to hire one who uses spam to request links. It's not even good spam email. It's pathetic.

[nuthin]

I'm of the belief, if Google really wanted to stop this they would of along time ago.

SEO Inc, probably covered their tracks properly and the link requests are not originating from an IP tied into their company/website.

if Google really wanted to set an example for SEO's, if they could trace it back to SEO Inc and incorporate a penalty based on there findings, some people in the industry might stop and think.. not to do this.

But I really don't see that happening anytime soon.

[Connie]

nuthin, I think you are going to see a lot of things this year in regard to spam that you have never seen before from Google.

I believe Google is working to correct the link mania that they created. It will take awhile but it is happening. I see evidence of that from post in this forum about "what happened to my site".

I think the next few months are going to be very interesting.

[ihelpyou]

nuthin; Of course they can't trace the emails back to seoinc. They aren't the firm sending them. That's not the point however.

[Connie]

This is my most recent spam e-mail.

Hello,

For years HomePopular have been sending a significant amount of visitors to sites about:

Home building, improvement, decorating...

With this coupon:

http://www.homepopular.net/addsite/?CouponCode=HOMEP1-4-4-3D3D1A22

Get listed today in HomePopular and save 50%

Cheers,

Pamela Goodman

P.S: Coupon is only valid 7 day.

[Dave Hawley]

I'm of the belief, if Google really wanted to stop this they would of along time agoYou don't seriouly think Google doesn't care about this sort of stuff do you? As Doug said, they are not the ones sending them. Sometimes the only way to catch spammers is manually.

I hope Google dump them completely, or at least take away any credit they are getting from their spammy methods.

[Webmaster T]

The domain that was in the triangle link scheme I received from SEOInc was registered in India, the reply was to a gmail account and it was sent to SeoPros info address (likely a harvested email address) and SEOinc is listed in the directory hence why send one to us if it is in fact SEOInc behind this scheme?

It could be a firm selling the scheme, IMO, the most likely scenario! A competitor looking to discredit and call attention to SEOInc by SE and over zealous spam fanatics in the industry. There is absolutely no evidence SEOInc had anything at all to do with this mailing. IMO, if there is any evidence it is pointing to SEOInc likely not being involved at all.

You would think they would "know" how to research a link excchange firm, and not want to hire one who uses spam to request links. It's not even good spam email. It's pathetic.Conjecture and assumption you have nothing to prove any affiliation between the parties why do you just assume there is? You bash away with innuendo and gossip. A witchhunt in the truest sense of the word!

[Webmaster T]

Jim, I have corresponded with Garry and he has categorially denied any knowledge of this whatsoever. In fact I mailed him days ago and received a reply within hours with his response.

[Daminc]

I routinely delete anything that has to do with 'Special offers', 'Increase traffic' and 'link exchange'.

If you want to get incoming links build something that people want to link too. It's as simple as that.

The 'Search Engine College' and 'Ihelpyouservices' never asked me to put links on my glossary site but I did it because I thought they would be valuable resources to anyone who might be interested.

I wouldn't dream of asking them, or anyone else for that matter, to reciprocate a link as a requirement.

[ihelpyou]

I find that extremely hard to believe Terry. How does ONE SEO firm get thousands of backlinks? Come on now. I've known about this stuff for quite awhile. How much proof do you need?

NO SEO FIRM in the world could have so many backlinks from different websites. Please.

Why ask email receipients to link to seoinc? What could possibly be in it for the India firm? .... nothing.

bruceclay.com = 1800 incoming
highrankings.com = 700 incoming
submitexpress.com = 4500 incoming

seoinc.com = 33,000 incoming links

no one is close.

[Webmaster T]

Well they do have a pile of clients and every page AFAIK has a link to them so... I don't think that is really all that many links in that context. ;)

Hmm, I wonder if the fact that the link monger company is supposedly working for an SEO firm with that many more links then its competitors might entice an idiot or two to sign up with them if they put only as much thought into this as Doug has. But instead of thinking about this a bit let's just point fingers and assume that they are this or that based on conjecture and assumption. Aclassic Doug witchunt if I ever saw one. :)

[Dave Hawley]

Well they do have a pile of clients and every page AFAIK has a link to them on every page so... I don't think that is really all that many links in that context.One only needs to check the sites linking to them to see they DO engage in link schemes.

They link to virtually nobody, yet have 10,000's of unrelated links pointing to them. One would need to be pretty niave to think they attracted those links naturally.

Jim, I have corresponded with Garry and he has categorially denied any knowledge of this whatsoever. In fact I mailed him days ago and received a reply within hours with his response.Bit like asking a bank robber if he/she robbed the bank.

[Connie]

Doug witchunt if I ever saw one.

I don't think so for what it's worth. I realize there is no concrete proof that seoinc is behind this. On the other hand I think it is absurd to think that a competitor would go to the expense to hire a link manager to send Spam e-mail requesting links to seoinc. To me it's a pretty logical conclusion to draw.

Bit like asking a bank robber if he/she robbed the bank.

Totally agree.

[nuthin]

nice to see some folks still have alot of faith that one day Google will/might do the right thing.

unfortunately i lost that faith in Google quite a while ago :(
anyone want to help me restore it? :D

i will be dead and buried by the time Google does something about these sites.

:( :confused: :rolleyes:

[ihelpyou]

witchhunt?

Don't think so.

I'm sick and tired of callers asking me about certain link techniques that seoinc has told them they would utilize. I'm sick of having to explain how those techniques will get you penalized one day.

witchhunt? Don't think so. I "help" people. If that means warning owners about certain firms, oh yes, I'll do that everytime.

Anyway; 33,000 is "not" normal. It's pathetic. Especially when they ain't microsoft or some other large .com who "should" have that many incoming links. This is a SEO firm. Come on, give me a break.

BTW; Google has 56,000 incoming links showing. seoinc will catch up to them soon.

[RandyDotcom]

So is anything in their email a lie?

A new york pan handler cleared $65,000 and paid taxes, is this illegal.

What's google to do. Have a max threshold on links, why do you think google and Yahoo have such high rankings.

My clients forward this email to me regularly, I tell them it is spam. The link is not truly reciprocol and too ignore it.

This is the biggest problem facing us today. A new approach in a shady area - WORKS!!
so we will all have to follow suit to compete.
It makes me mad, It is unethical in the strictist sense, But who is going to spend millions of dollars sueing to get the law changed when it's cheaper just to do the same thing to others.

What may have to happen is that email constructs other than hand typed will need to be illegal.

[ihelpyou]

It's not even the fact it's email spam that I have a problem with. It's the fact they are preying on website owners who don't have a clue and will happily link to seoinc just to get a damn link back from "anywhere". It's "highly" Unethical stuff. Whether or not it happens to currently work is irrelevant. Unethical firms are unethical firms.

[Webmaster T]

I take people at face value, if they say it ant so, well... I have no reason or proof they are lying so... do I assume they are guilty based on nothing? Or assume innocence since there is some proof of that. Perhaps I'm clueless but does nobody else see a benefit to the link campaign guy if he picks up clients based on them thinking he is responsible for all the links to SEOInc. In fact the more he adds the better he looks! Afterall, all correspondence goes directly to them!

[ihelpyou]

:rolleyes:

I give up Terry. If you can't see it, I certainly can make you see it, nor do I want to. We've had this same discussion before in the past about the exact same thing if you remember.

The idea this firm from India had the forsight to plan out this laborious strategy you lay out in order to gain business is truly "out there" a ways. :) It's based on this firm knowing that "I" would be posting and talking about the spam email. All of that work of spamming probably millions of addresses just to get a little PR for themselves? Don't think so. :)

What you are saying as well is that you don't believe me. Fine.

[Dave Hawley]

I take people at face value, if they say it ant so, well... That's excatly the type of person they prey on.

[Connie]

Terry,

Though the evidence in not 100% it is 99% IMHO. I fail to understand why you won't even consider the evidence. I don't always agree with Doug, but I think he has laid out a pretty good case on this issue. I don't see a "witch hunt" at all in Doug's original post, or in any of his additional comments.

Why you won't even consider the evidence is beyond my comprehension.

I think your friend got caught with his pants down. He knows what he is doing is wrong but he will not fess up because he knows it can't be proven 100% and frankly I might do the same thing.

That is human nature. Very few people have the moral character to say I'm wrong when they get caught doing something wrong.

[ihelpyou]

Just came across this OLD thread. I thought I would give an update about SEOinc, etc.

Shortly after this thread started in 2005, SEOinc got virtually banned from Google. They were no where on many, many terms. They JUST recently had the penalty/ban lifted by Google. It was a nice and harsh penalty for over 2 years.

I rolled with laughter when that firm got what they deserved. To those in this thread who supported that slimey firm,..... "told ya so" buds.

[Arnabme]

Yes, I remember I was not so old at that time.. and there were discussion whether it was the right step taken by Google.

[Comeran]

They seem to still be online. I am wondering if they had clients or anything during the banned period.... I would love to hear that explanation.... "Its ok client, my site can't be found on G, but I can get your site to #1".

ROFL.

Com-

[Dave Hawley]

"Its ok client, my site can't be found on G, but I can get your site to #1".Aint that the truth!

It amazes me when so called "SEO" services guarantee page 1, for what terms though??? Next thing they will offering is Steak Knives if you sign the dotted line Today!

[ihelpyou]

They are just like all those big agency types; they throw around their money for advertising as you see their slimey ads all over the internet. They spent a boatload on advertising over the last two years. I highly doubt they learned a thing from the ban though.

I was reading back through this thread from the beginning and note "who" was backing this firm back then. People always seem to think I'm a nut, but I'm damn right more than I ain't. :)

If I fart; I'd let you know about it. If I'm wrong, I'd let you know about that as well.

Quote from Terry back then:
Hmm, I wonder if the fact that the link monger company is supposedly working for an SEO firm with that many more links then its competitors might entice an idiot or two to sign up with them if they put only as much thought into this as Doug has. But instead of thinking about this a bit let's just point fingers and assume that they are this or that based on conjecture and assumption. A classic Doug witchunt if I ever saw one.
Maybe "terry" can help me out, but I don't recall EVER calling out a spade and it turned out NOT to be a spade. Maybe the smart asses in this thread back then can find even one time? ....didn't think so.

[Arnabme]

I think any Firm who promises to put a client site at number 1 for Google or any other Search Engine is no less than a fraud.

The faster the clients understand this the easier will it be for them to realize who the authentic firms.