Look for link manager work

[Moscowit]

Hi there!

I just decide that a link manager work is good enough for me to make some money for bread and tea.

Is there some vacancies?

WBR, Moscowit.

[Quadrille]

I rather suspect your application will fall on stoney ground, but good luck.

It may be worth studying application techniques and trying job sites.

[Connie]

Not sure I understand what you want to do. If your looking to manage link building for websites, I doubt you will get many takers here.

Good luck in whatever it is you want to do.

[Moscowit]

Yes, Connie ! Just looking to manage link building for websites !

Is it the proper place?

[Irony]

Privet! :hi:

Sending you a PM :)

[elbyweb]

privet kak dila Irony

(i hope the only 3 words of rusian i know make sence)

[Connie]

It seems that you and Irony have something in common. I'm fairly certain she will tell you in a PM that link building software is a waste of time and dangerous.

IMHO link exchanges are a thing of the past as far as SEs are concerned.

They could be helpful for traffic outside the SEs. If your doing link exchanges for SEs I think you are wasting your time. Link exchanges could be dangerous.

[Irony]

Hi elbyweb :hi:

Yep, it does make sense. I'm fine, thank you ;)

[elbyweb]

Connie: "link building software is a waste of time and dangerous"

is all software bad then? im not useing software anymore exept to do ranking checking 151 SE's checked in 5 min

[WebSavvy]

Rank checking software violates the TOS of the search engines. So ... if you're playing with auto-checkers, you're playing with fire.

[Connie]

is all software bad then?
Not all. I use a text editor. I have a browser and e-mail client.

The majority (if not all) of the type of software your are talking about is bad. As Deb said rank checking software violates the TOS of the SEs.

Learn to do things the old fashioned way.

[elbyweb]

so its total cold turkey :( thats another program i deleted. aarrrgghh im so mad at myself for falling there sales bable!!!!

[elbyweb slaps himself with a herring.... repeatadley]

[Irony]

LOL :)

Stick with us, and you won't need to slap yourself ever again ;)

[SEO1]

Hi

Rank checking software is against the SE TOS however I have never seen this used against a webmaster or search marketing firm.

Since I run automated ranking reports deep into the engines each night I would love to see proof of this statement ladies and gents.

Thank you

Clint

[ihelpyou]

Hi Clint, Google has it posted directly on their website. If you are using one with the Google API, then you are fine.

I fail to understand why someone like you with some "knowledge" feel the need to "check ranks" in this way? I haven't used software like that in three years now. Doesn't your stats program tell you more about how a client is doing than this rank stuff? If I or my client needs to know a specific rank, we go to Google and do the darn search. It's easy stuff. :) If they aren't in the first 3 pages, then why go further anyway? And what benefit is it to a client to have this report? Does it help your client in any way, shape, or form to know they are ranked #100 or #50 on a term? What's the diff? Logs will tell a client MUCH more than rank software does. If he isn't being found on a phrase, then you know he's not ranked on it, right? :)

Even doing a manual search on a term, and you see your client at "this" position, your client can see an entirely different position anyway, right? So why the hell do you run these rank reports? I'm always amazed by the differences in views in this industry.

[SEO1]

Well what with fees being what they are reports make clients aware of where they are and it is a part of the SEO SEM value proposition, in addition everyone needs a measuring stick in order to determine if they are earning their money.

With older established sites I run a ranking report to establish a baseline report as to current positions..

If there are 30 keywords that need research doing it by hand would take a while and as such makes me less productive and also would pass on a price increase to the client.

Now the baseline can be used to show the client where they are / were (they seem to forget at times..)

Additional reports swhow progress.

Ranking reports are also a good sales tools.


If you think about it the search engines use automation yet do not want others to.

The contradiction is hard to fathom.

;)

[ihelpyou]

Well what with fees being what they are reports make clients aware of where they are and it is a part of the SEO SEM value proposition, in addition everyone needs a measuring stick in order to determine if they are earning their money.
Fees? You mean you are actually charging for a rank report? hmm. Why would a client want to "be aware" of a rank? Don't they have stats supplied by you or the host, or some other stats program? Heck, Google has a free stats thingie.

And since when is a "rank" report a part of SEO? It's never been a part of SEM, right? Doesn't your stats tell you MUCH more and would be the one thing a client would need? NO need to query Google for your stats, right?

If you are charging a client for a report they can do themself if they wish, all I can say is wow. And a report they don't need at all and gives them zero benefits. Wow.

[ihelpyou]

in addition everyone needs a measuring stick in order to determine if they are earning their money.
My measure stick is the stats and sales of the client. NO rank report can tell you those.

If there are 30 keywords that need research doing it by hand would take a while and as such makes me less productive and also would pass on a price increase to the client.
A price increase for something the client doesn't need? Why is it you feel a client needs a rank report, and I don't? None of my clients need one...... for over three years now.

Ranking reports are also a good sales tools.
Really? I simply show a potential client the increase in sales, or they simply call my client. That's more powerful than a rank, right? If they insist, I tell them to do a search on Google for "this phrase" and there is my client. Easy stuff. :)

I truly don't get it Clint. You can ask many firms out there these days who are in the know, and I can bet many don't do those types of reports anymore. Why you ask? Because they are useless to the client.

[SEO1]

Hmm lets see why would I continue to do so...well it works as a business model..others do do it though they wont publish it.

Client wants to see the pretty rankings no matter how you try to educate them to the business side of the equation.

Whole litany of reasons that one would want to use them...

so why other than TOS violations and believe me thats the least of the problems in the grand scheme of things are you so adamant against not using them as another tool and value add?

Also I am not responsible for sales....I am a marketer, I drive the traffic to the store but once there it is the business owner who makes the sale or his / her sales department

In addition to SEO work, I help business learn to build better business or understand their business better, perhaps the online side or where money goes when they advertise, why their PPC campaigns fail, why their site was dumped from the search engines, what is true ROI, cost per actions, and more.

I provide reports for these things as well....so SEO reporting is just an extension of my business.

Do I sell for my clients??? No not in the least...that is their job and as such I usually have no idea of their sales figures and what not.

Well Doug I wish all my business owners were as savvy as yours...

amazing how with the 100s I've met not many were as savvy as yours...

[Connie]

In the end if your SEO/Marketing or what ever you want to call your self does not end up in more sales for your client you have failed IMHO.

[g1smd]

>> everyone needs a measuring stick in order to determine if they are earning their money <<

Why wouldn't they just count how many sales they had made, or the value of those sales?


Before you started work they sold 10 widgets per week. Two months after the SEO work, they are selling 10 widgets per day.

Job done.

[SEO1]

Personally I doubt I will post here ever again.

I do not understand the mentaility of the management here

Invite said person to forum

Beat said person up'

Sadi person leaves and stops posting

Management makes nice and reinvites said person and

starts the cycle again...

Doug and Connie both of you if you are indeed two seperate people and not some alter ego

you need fricken professional help as this seems to be a game with you two whether the person is white or black hat

I give up trying to figure you both out....

[WebSavvy]

Clint, where was this "beating-up on" taking place at? I didn't see it in the thread. Was it in PM or something? :confused:

[Dave Hawley]

Rank checking software violates the TOS of the search engines. So ... if you're playing with auto-checkers, you're playing with fire.That's not always true. Some are, while some others dont. As Doug stated, "If you are using one with the Google API, then you are fine."

However, I'm with most here that doing so is really an excercise in futility.