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Irony
24-03-2006, 08:28/08:28AM
On February 7th, 2006, I received the following email.


Hello SpiderFriendly ,

Hope you are doing fine.



This is Mike Gill from Netsmartz LLC; Rochester New York based company. We are a Microsoft Certified Partner and a professionally managed IS0 9001:2000 Web Design and Internet Marketing Company with 6 offices in 3 continents. We have over 5+ years of experience under our belts and have been Service Providers for Fortune 500 companies like Intel, Kodak, ABB, and GlobalCrossing to name a few.

We can provide you with ONLINE MARKETING SERVICES THAT WILL BE PROFITABLE for both the parties in terms of customer satisfaction, quality, and professional resources, time, and leads to mutually beneficial business.



We are Qualified as Yahoo Ambassador for SEM and Google adwords certified Professionals. At Elance, which is worlds’s largest outsourcing website, we are among the Top 3 service providers out of 57,000 active service providers.

Our client rating is 4.9 out of 5 at Elance and we have more than 80+positive feedbacks posted by our clients so you are rest assured that we will help you to get the Best SEO and Link Building Services.

We would like to inform you that we have partnership with various Web Design, SEO and Link Building Companies. They have been regularly outsourcing work to us and assure you that we are the Best SEO Outsourcing Partners that your company can have.

Please let us know if you have any additional Link Building/SEO work which you would like to outsource to us.

We can offer you visually appealing and marketing savvy solutions which would ensure that your site gets highly qualified focused traffic that leads to higher conversions. To provide you a perfect solution we offer you two most effective tools to increase traffic to a site, SEO and Link Building.

We will strongly recommend you to go for Link Building Services because as per the latest news in SEM world Google has updated its algorithm and as per Googles Jaggers update, as much as 70% importance is given to off Page Factors such as : Link Building rather than on page

Factors like: optimization. Nowadays , Reciprocal Links are being Discounted and more importance is Given to inbound Links



The Reason why you should go for Link Building Services with NetSmartz :



1) We will help you to get HIGH QUALITY and RELEVANT Links.



2) We will not involve in any spamming practices and we links procured by us will not be from Link Farms, FFA, Mirror sites, black hat techniques, Books, sub-domains etc because these factors can get your website BANNED from the internet.



Please see below the details of our Services:



LINK BUILDING SERVICES

Link Building is one of the STRONGEST off-page factors to improve rankings and declare one’s web presence. Building links to one’s website is of huge importance and something that should be focused upon significantly if getting ranked high in the search engine results is important to a webmaster. The amount of link-backs to one’s website ultimately determines a website’s popularity with many search engines. The core benefits and objectives of Link Building are -
a) To improve chances of deepest possible indexing of a web site

b) To improve rankings of very targeted keywords on GOOGLE, YAHOO!, and MSN
c) To increase the PR of the website in the long run and turn the web site into an authoritative web site



Also reaching these links will give you breakthrough in the following ways:



1) Top Ranking for keywords that are promoted in titles and descriptions of these links.



2) Chances of Search Engine Crawlers coming to your sites from relevant links and indexing and ranking your sites.



3) Google's new evaluation criteria (after Google Jagger Update) is that links have become 70-80% important in Search Engine Optimization.



4) All Search Engines regard SEO and submissions as self-advertising but if someone is recommending then they regard it as positive vote/reference for your site.



Hence Links are critical to website’s success on the net by getting top ranks, promotion specific keywords, getting targeted traffic, deep indexing etc.



We have experienced professionals and skilled Link Building resources that will help you to get RELEVANT LINKS relating to subject theme of your website, and focus on TARGET TRAFFIC. You will be getting BEST LINK BUILDING SERVICES and will get maximum benefits from it.



Links are obtained manually by doing correspondence with the relevant sites by our link building resources and also the links provided by us will be relevant to your business theme and will be visible even after considerable gap of time. We do not use or recommend use of software due to quality issues and spamming practices associated with link building software



We are offering 20% discount on the entire link building projects and our revised discounted rates for 100 Inbound and Reciprocal links are as follows:



INBOUND LINKS



Link Page



PR 2 $1000(i.e. $10.00 per link)

PR 3 $1500(i.e. $15.00 per link)

PR 4 $2000(i.e. $20.00 per link)

PR 5 $3500(i.e. $35.00 per link)



Homepage



PR 2 $500(i.e. $5.00 per link)

PR 3 $1000(i.e. $10.00 per link)

PR 4 $1500(i.e. $15.00 per link)

PR 5 $2000(i.e. $20.00 per link)


RECIPROCAL LINKS

PR 1 $250(i.e. 2.50 per link)
PR 2 $375(i.e. 3.75 per link)
PR 3 $500(i.e. 5.00 per link)
PR 4 $750(i.e. 7.50 per link)
PR 5 $990(i.e. 9.90 per link)



We assure you that we will provide you with reliable link partners and also the links provided by us will be relevant to your business theme and will be visible even after considerable gap of time. Links are obtained manually by doing correspondence with the relevant sites by our link building resources.





SEO SERVICES



We provide a host SEO solutions to meet the varied needs of our clients. The client's needs are strategically addressed through in-depth market research, code analysis, study and revision of keywords, content enhancement, suitable website design, and strategic search engine submission to ensure the presence of your website on the Internet. We are a leading SEO Service Provider and strongly believe that marketing an idea is as important as developing it so we will provide you our complete SEO Platinum Package WORTH $1500 at a DISCOUNTED PRICE of $800.



Our SEO Platinum services include the following SEO phases:

Client Interaction: Study of existing site, Q&A Session, Initial questionnaire, Target Audience, etc
Keyword Research: Collection of keywords based on initial questionnaire, site research
Site Optimization: Optimization of the website based on the keywords, editing Meta Tags, and other Optimization as required.
Submission to Search Engines
Submission Report: Submission report to be provided to the client
HIGHLIGHTS/FEATURES OF SEO PLATINUM PACKAGE



1) Optimizing your website for 100+ relevant keywords,

2) Manually submitting it to 300+ Search Engines,

3) Guarantee of more than 10% keywords on top,

4) FREE 1.5 months maintenance,

5) FREE paid submissions at MSN

Please refer to the following link to have an idea of our leadership in this domain:

http://netsmartz.com/portfolio/netsmartz_inmkt_seo_main.htm



Please review the attached Keyword List containing the high Ranks achieved for various keywords of the website optimized by us.




So the reason you should outsource Seo /Web Dev Project to us:

1) ISO certified, Microsoft certified, following strict processes, and documentation provided on regular basis.
2) No.1 Service provider at Elance out of 57,000+ service providers.
3) Yahoo Ambassador for Search Marketing and Google Adwords certified Professional(logos displayed on our website)
4) 200+ successful SEO/Link case studies to our credit.
5) 80+ positive feedback
6) 100+ SEM projects





Our payment terms are 30% upfront, 25% on 55% project completion, 25% on 80% project completion and remaining on final project delivery.



Please fill up an attached SEO Questionnaire, so that we can prioritize your project and can make you customized and professional recommendations relating to the project.



Please feel free to contact me at 1-585-486-9807 (Mike Gill) any time for further queries. Please also provide me with your phone number as it will help me in explaining you our Link Building methodology more properly.



Look forward towards your response.



Thanks

Mike Gill

Netsmartz, LLC
[Contact details removed - for now. Just threaten once to sue me, my company, or Doug - and I will publish them - Irony]

Irony
24-03-2006, 08:33/08:33AM
At that time, I was in a good mood and didn't want to take any actions against Mike, but preserved the email.

Today, I received another one, from "Suzanne" - but she was writing from the same email address as Mike Gill. And she attached 6 PDF files, 2.28 MB total size. That p*ssed me off, as we pay for traffic here. So I decided to make it public, also because I have more stuff on this company. All emails are kept intact in my email archive and can be forwarded to whoever necessary.

Hello Client,


This is Suzanne from NetSmartz.



Hope you are doing fine.



We are Rochester New York based company. We are a Microsoft Certified Partner and a professionally managed IS0 9001:2000 Web Design and Internet Marketing Company with 6 offices in 3 continents. We have over 5+ years of experience under our belts and have been Service Providers for Fortune 500 companies like Intel, Kodak, ABB, and GlobalCrossing to name a few.

We can provide you with ONLINE MARKETING SERVICES THAT WILL BE PROFITABLE for both the parties in terms of customer satisfaction, quality, and professional resources, time, and leads to mutually beneficial business.



We are Qualified as Yahoo Ambassador for SEM and Google adwords certified Professionals. At Elance, which is worlds’s largest outsourcing website, we are among the Top 3 service providers out of 57,000 active service providers.

Our client rating is 4.9 out of 5 at Elance and we have more than 80+positive feedbacks posted by our clients so you are rest assured that we will help you to get the Best SEO and Link Building Services.

We would like to inform you that we have partnership with various Web Design, SEO and Link Building Companies. They have been regularly outsourcing work to us and assure you that we are the Best SEO Outsourcing Partners that your company can have.

Please let us know if you have any additional Link Building/SEO work which you would like to outsource to us.

We can offer you visually appealing and marketing savvy solutions which would ensure that your site gets highly qualified focused traffic that leads to higher conversions. To provide you a perfect solution we offer you two most effective tools to increase traffic to a site, SEO and Link Building.

We will strongly recommend you to go for Link Building Services because as per the latest news in SEM world Google has updated its algorithm and as per Googles Jaggers update, as much as 70% importance is given to off Page Factors such as : Link Building rather than on page

Factors like: optimization. Nowadays , Reciprocal Links are being Discounted and more importance is Given to inbound Links



The Reason why you should go for Link Building Services with NetSmartz :



1) We will help you to get HIGH QUALITY and RELEVANT Links.



2) We will not involve in any spamming practices and we links procured by us will not be from Link Farms, FFA, Mirror sites, black hat techniques, Books, sub-domains etc because these factors can get your website BANNED from the internet.



Please see below the details of our Services:



LINK BUILDING SERVICES

Link Building is one of the STRONGEST off-page factors to improve rankings and declare one’s web presence. Building links to one’s website is of huge importance and something that should be focused upon significantly if getting ranked high in the search engine results is important to a webmaster. The amount of link-backs to one’s website ultimately determines a website’s popularity with many search engines. The core benefits and objectives of Link Building are -
a) To improve chances of deepest possible indexing of a web site

b) To improve rankings of very targeted keywords on GOOGLE, YAHOO!, and MSN
c) To increase the PR of the website in the long run and turn the web site into an authoritative web site



Also reaching these links will give you breakthrough in the following ways:



1) Top Ranking for keywords that are promoted in titles and descriptions of these links.



2) Chances of Search Engine Crawlers coming to your sites from relevant links and indexing and ranking your sites.



3) Google's new evaluation criteria (after Google Jagger Update) is that links have become 70-80% important in Search Engine Optimization.



4) All Search Engines regard SEO and submissions as self-advertising but if someone is recommending then they regard it as positive vote/reference for your site.



Hence Links are critical to website’s success on the net by getting top ranks, promotion specific keywords, getting targeted traffic, deep indexing etc.



We have experienced professionals and skilled Link Building resources that will help you to get RELEVANT LINKS relating to subject theme of your website, and focus on TARGET TRAFFIC. You will be getting BEST LINK BUILDING SERVICES and will get maximum benefits from it.



Links are obtained manually by doing correspondence with the relevant sites by our link building resources and also the links provided by us will be relevant to your business theme and will be visible even after considerable gap of time. We do not use or recommend use of software due to quality issues and spamming practices associated with link building software



We are offering 20% discount on the entire link building projects and our revised discounted rates for 100 Inbound and Reciprocal links are as follows:



INBOUND LINKS



Link Page



PR 2 $1000(i.e. $10.00 per link)

PR 3 $1500(i.e. $15.00 per link)

PR 4 $2000(i.e. $20.00 per link)

PR 5 $3500(i.e. $35.00 per link)



Homepage



PR 2 $500(i.e. $5.00 per link)

PR 3 $1000(i.e. $10.00 per link)

PR 4 $1500(i.e. $15.00 per link)

PR 5 $2000(i.e. $20.00 per link)


RECIPROCAL LINKS

PR 1 $250(i.e. 2.50 per link)
PR 2 $375(i.e. 3.75 per link)
PR 3 $500(i.e. 5.00 per link)
PR 4 $750(i.e. 7.50 per link)
PR 5 $990(i.e. 9.90 per link)



We assure you that we will provide you with reliable link partners and also the links provided by us will be relevant to your business theme and will be visible even after considerable gap of time. Links are obtained manually by doing correspondence with the relevant sites by our link building resources.





SEO SERVICES



We provide a host SEO solutions to meet the varied needs of our clients. The client's needs are strategically addressed through in-depth market research, code analysis, study and revision of keywords, content enhancement, suitable website design, and strategic search engine submission to ensure the presence of your website on the Internet. We are a leading SEO Service Provider and strongly believe that marketing an idea is as important as developing it so we will provide you our complete SEO Platinum Package WORTH $1500 at a DISCOUNTED PRICE of $800.



Our SEO Platinum services include the following SEO phases:

Client Interaction: Study of existing site, Q&A Session, Initial questionnaire, Target Audience, etc
Keyword Research: Collection of keywords based on initial questionnaire, site research
Site Optimization: Optimization of the website based on the keywords, editing Meta Tags, and other Optimization as required.
Submission to Search Engines
Submission Report: Submission report to be provided to the client
HIGHLIGHTS/FEATURES OF SEO PLATINUM PACKAGE



1) Optimizing your website for 100+ relevant keywords,

2) Manually submitting it to 300+ Search Engines,

3) Guarantee of more than 10% keywords on top,

4) FREE 1.5 months maintenance,

5) FREE paid submissions at MSN

Please refer to the following link to have an idea of our leadership in this domain:

http://netsmartz.com/portfolio/netsmartz_inmkt_seo_main.htm



Please review the attached Keyword List containing the high Ranks achieved for various keywords of the website optimized by us.




So the reason you should outsource Seo /Web Dev Project to us:

1) ISO certified, Microsoft certified, following strict processes, and documentation provided on regular basis.
2) No.1 Service provider at Elance out of 57,000+ service providers.
3) Yahoo Ambassador for Search Marketing and Google Adwords certified Professional(logos displayed on our website)
4) 200+ successful SEO/Link case studies to our credit.
5) 80+ positive feedback
6) 100+ SEM projects



Our payment terms are 30% upfront, 25% on 55% project completion, 25% on 80% project completion and remaining on final project delivery.



Please fill up an attached SEO Questionnaire, so that we can prioritize your project and can make you customized and professional recommendations relating to the project.



Please feel free to contact me at 1-585-486-9807 (Mike Gill) any time for further queries. Please also provide me with your phone number as it will help me in explaining you our Link Building methodology more properly.



Look forward towards your response.



Thanks

Suzanne

Netsmartz, LLC

Irony
24-03-2006, 08:43/08:43AM
Now, we are getting to really delicious stuff.

Like many other webmasters, I'm getting a lot of automated link exchange crap on a daily basis. Usually I don't pay much attention, just move these emails to a special folder in my email client for future reference. But it also means I can retrieve them whenever I please.

April 28th, 2005.


Dear webmaster,

We are pleased to inform you that we are keen on being your links partner. Taking initiative in this direction, we have already put your link at our site. You can view your link at:

http://www.docsmartz.com/asp/Web-Marketing.asp

We have placed the URL, Title, and suitable description for your site that will surely benefit your online presence. You are free to verify the same. Please let us know about any suggestions or concerns and we will get it done.

We intend to have a reciprocal link at your http://www.spiderfriendly.co.uk/directory-resources.php page also. Please look at our information below for this:

URL = http://www.docsmartz.com
Title = Convert PDF to Word
Description = Convert PDF to word with powerful, easy and fast PDF converter. Free Trial. PDF to Word software converts PDF files to Word or .rtf (rich text format) with the capability of converting chosen or all pages. 50% OFF.

We will be glad to see our link at your site and have you as our links partner. It will be appreciated if you can send us the exact location of our link.

Looking forward to a prompt response.

Regards,
Webmaster
http://www.docsmartz.com


http://www.docsmartz.com is now banned from Google.

More to come (later).

JohnC
24-03-2006, 08:57/08:57AM
Geesh ...

I wonder if the Microsoft Certified Partner, Yahoo Ambassador and the Adwords Certified Professionals programs all know that one of their members is sending out these emails or that they are featured in them. I would bet there is a good chance the agreements signed to become a member of those programs included some caveat on spam.

I won’t go into all the details, most of you can see just by reading that crap; these folks are WAY behind the times anyway.

ihelpyou
24-03-2006, 09:13/09:13AM
Awful stuff.

That mike guy called me awhile ago about this exact issue. Guess what he told me? That's right; he claimed those are not spam email at all. :D

It's amazing the totally clueless people that are in this industry.

Irony
24-03-2006, 09:19/09:19AM
Yep. I forgot to mention that docsmartz.com belongs to NetSmartz, which is easy to check using whois.sc.

May 10th, 2005.

Dear webmaster,

We are pleased to inform you that we are keen on being your links partner. Taking initiative in this direction, we have already put your link at our site. You can view your link at:

http://www.emailsmartz.com/asp/Website-promotion-submission.asp

We have placed the URL, Title, and suitable description for your site that will surely benefit your online presence. You are free to verify the same. Please let us know about any suggestions or concerns and we will get it done.

We intend to have a reciprocal link at your http://www.spiderfriendly.co.uk/directory-resources.php page also. Please look at our information below for this:

URL = http://www.emailsmartz.com
Title = Email manager and bulk mail sender, emailsmartz.co
Description = Manage your bulk mails using email manager. Extract mails; make a list using email generator and send bulk mails using email sender use emailsmartz.com

We will be glad to see our link at your site and have you as our links partner. It will be appreciated if you can send us the exact location of our link.

Looking forward to a prompt response.

Regards,
Webmaster
http://www.emailsmartz.com

Irony
24-03-2006, 09:22/09:22AM
August 12th, 2005

Dear Webmaster,

We are pleased to inform you that we are keen on being your links partner. Taking initiative in this direction, we have already put your link at our site. You can view your link at:

http://www.netcelsius.com/SEO-Companies.htm

We have placed the URL, Title, and suitable description for your site that will surely benefit your online presence. You are free to verify the same. Please let us know about any suggestions or concerns and we will get it done.

We intend to have a link at your http://www.spiderfriendly.co.uk/directory-resources.php page also. Please look at our information below for this:

URL = http://www.trafficsmartz.net
Title = Internet Marketing Tool
Description = Traffic Smartz is an Internet Marketing Tool for Creating Optimized pages for your website; Search Engine Submission; and Checking Keyword Ranking. Award Winning Software.

We will be glad to see our link at your site and have you as our links partner. It will be appreciated if you can send us the exact location of our link.

Looking forward to a prompt response.

Regards,
Webmaster
http://www.trafficsmartz.net

Another property of NetSmartz.

Check the following page (through View->Source)

http://www.trafficsmartz.net/index238.html

Nice use of visibility:hidden, eh?

More to come.

Irony
24-03-2006, 09:54/09:54AM
On the same day:

Dear Webmaster,

We are pleased to inform you that we are keen on being your links partner. Taking initiative in this direction, we have already put your link at our site. You can view your link at:

http://www.findsitenow.com/SEO-Companies.htm

We have placed the URL, Title, and suitable description for your site that will surely benefit your online presence. You are free to verify the same. Please let us know about any suggestions or concerns and we will get it done.

We intend to have a link at your http://www.spiderfriendly.co.uk/tool-resources.php page also. Please look at our information below for this:

URL = http://www.smartimageconverter.com
Title = Image Enhancement Software
Description = Enhance images; edit and print pictures; crop and resize photos; and convert to over 60 graphic formats with Smart Image Converter Image Enhancement Software.

We will be glad to see our link at your site and have you as our links partner. It will be appreciated if you can send us the exact location of our link.

Looking forward to a prompt response.

Regards,
Webmaster
http://www.smartimageconverter.com

Check whois for smartimageconverter.

For http://www.emailsmartz.com, the whois information is different, but I'll explain later why I include it here.

Irony
24-03-2006, 10:02/10:02AM
Of course, I was getting the "link exchange reminders", "last link exchange reminders" and "link removal notices" for each of those domains. After awhile, they were sending link exchange requests for the same sites again.

August 31st, 2005

A few days ago we had sent across an email with a request that we wish to be your link partner. Our request to you was to exchange link with our web site http://www.proposalsmartz.com. However, since we have not received any response from your side we are assuming that you have missed our request. We are sending you our link exchange request once again.

We have already placed the URL, Title, and a suitable description of your web site that will definitely benefit your online presence. Please feel free to verify the same and do let us know if you have any concerns. We will address all your concerns right away.

We will be very glad if our web site's link is hosted on your web site at the following location: http://www.spiderfriendly.co.uk/directory-resources.php We will appreciate if you will use the following information to link us back from your web site:

URL = http://www.proposalsmartz.com
Title = Proposal Software
Description = Proposal Smartz is proposal software for proposal automation, which gives full control for providing consistent proposals to your sales or business network. Easy global management. Highly recommended for Sales and Business Networks.

Once again, we will be very glad to become your link partner and we will, truly, appreciate if you will send us the exact location of our link after hosting the same on your web site.

A prompt response will be much appreciated.

Regards,
Webmaster
http://www.proposalsmartz.com

Yes, it's yet another property of NetSmartz.

September 5th, 2005.

Dear Webmaster,

A few days ago we had sent across an email with a request that we wish to be your link partner. Our request to you was to exchange link with our web site http://www.pdf-file.com. However, since we have not received any response from your side we are assuming that you have missed our request. We are sending you our link exchange request once again.

We have already placed the URL, Title, and a suitable description of your web site that will definitely benefit your online presence. Please feel free to verify the same and do let us know if you have any concerns. We will address all your concerns right away.

We will be very glad if our web site's link is hosted on your web site at the following location: http://www.spiderfriendly.co.uk/tool-resources.php We will appreciate if you will use the following information to link us back from your web site:

URL = http://www.pdf-file.com
Title = PDF Editor Free Trial
Description = PDF Editor from PDF-file.com is a very easy-to-use PDF file editor. You can convert a PDF file to Word document and after editing the file, reconvert it back to PDF file format. Free trial download.

Once again, we will be very glad to become your link partner and we will, truly, appreciate if you will send us the exact location of our link after hosting the same on your web site.

A prompt response will be much appreciated.

Regards,
Webmaster
http://www.pdf-file.com

Looking at whois: - of course! Netsmartz Llc!

ihelpyou
24-03-2006, 10:10/10:10AM
LOL This guy is truly something.

Why does our criminal system make it soo hard to prosecute these types of people? It really should be a no-brainer situation, but it's not.

Irony
24-03-2006, 10:12/10:12AM
On Sep 6th I received another link offer for DocSmartz - this time they wanted it three-way.

Dear webmaster,

We have taken the initiative to exchange links with your web site, and we have placed a link to your web site on our web site, http://www.webbizfind.com You may view your link at the following location:

http://www.webbizfind.com/Web-Promotions.htm

We have placed the URL, Title, and a suitable Description for your web site, appropriate to your web site theme. Please review and let us know if you wish to see any changes. We will be glad to address any concerns right away!

We request you to link back to our website from: http://www.spiderfriendly.co.uk/tool-resources.php

We will appreciate it if you use the following information to link back to us:

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ URL = http://www.docsmartz.com
Title = PDF Converter
Description = This PDF converter does a great job in handling PDF conversion. Fast, easy and powerful, Free Trial, it can also handle PDF files in multiple languages and can convert chosen or all pages.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

We look forward to your response and it will be very helpful if you will inform us about any action taken in this direction.

Many Thanks!
Webmaster
http://www.docsmartz.com

www.webbizfind.com think they are a "directory". www.netcelsius.com, as well! Oh yes, nice directories!

NOT!

avaid
24-03-2006, 10:14/10:14AM
I applaud netsmartz. Continue on what you're doing and make sure to spam everyone on this forum. It is what seems to drive them

ihelpyou
24-03-2006, 10:15/10:15AM
Please post your url avaid. I'll give you a free "live" link in here. And you don't have to put my link on your home page either. :)

avaid
24-03-2006, 10:20/10:20AM
go ahead Doug....I beg you do do something libel towards our site

http://www.rsbmlaw.com/

Irony
24-03-2006, 10:21/10:21AM
I applaud avaid :)

Let's continue.

November 14th.

Dear webmaster,

We have taken the initiative to exchange links with your web site, and we have placed a link to your web site on our web site, http://www.netcelsius.com

You may view your link at the following location:

http://www.netcelsius.com/Search-Engine-Optimization.htm

We have placed the URL, Title, and a suitable Description for your web site, appropriate to your web site theme. Please review and let us know if you wish to see any changes. We will be glad to address any concerns right away!

We request you to link back to our website from: http://www.spiderfriendly.co.uk/tool-resources.php

We will appreciate it if you use the following information to link back to us:

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ URL = http://www.contentsmartz.com
Title = Business to Business Email Marketing
Description = Contentsmartz offers business to business email marketing software for bulk email marketing, advertising and newsletter management.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

We look forward to your response and it will be very helpful if you will inform us about any action taken in this direction.

Many Thanks!
Webmaster
http://www.contentsmartz.com

The owner is the same that is listed for http://www.emailsmartz.com, and this email put it beyond doubt that they are connected with NetSmartz. The same style of writing spammy requests. The same netcelsius.com thing.

And, most importantly, the same SEO style.

Look at http://www.contentsmartz.com's code. Do a search for VISIBILITY:hidden within that text file. They have, probably, 5 times as much invisible text as they have any visible stuff there.

Irony
24-03-2006, 10:26/10:26AM
All for today. I've got more stuff, but I'm tired, besides, the other cases are more difficult to prove, and I'd prefer to protect the innocent.

If I find more stuff in my archives, I'll probably post it on Monday... it depends. Continue annoying us, avaid, and I'll find something special for you.

Probably, folks over there at NetSmartz will remove their hidden text and links now... doesn't matter. There's always the wayback machine, after all.

Now, re-read the first letter. Notice they claim they don't use blackhat techniques.

:rolleyes:

ihelpyou
24-03-2006, 10:26/10:26AM
Is this the site who used linkworth? I don't think so. That's the site I want you to post. I highly doubt you do that.

Anthony Parsons
24-03-2006, 18:34/06:34PM
Originally posted by avaid
go ahead Doug....I beg you do do something libel towards our site

http://www.rsbmlaw.com/

Oh goodie, another bloody twit attorney who defends the very wankers who are destroying the web and usefulness of it.

Oh, Avaid, my site is anthonyparsons.com... and I use barristers, not lame attorneys (solicictor equivalent for Australia)... so do your worst with threatning me sunshine.

Connie
24-03-2006, 18:43/06:43PM
Hi Anthony :hi: Glad to see you add your 2 cents.

WebSavvy
24-03-2006, 22:03/10:03PM
Hi :hi: Anthony! :)

ihelpyou
24-03-2006, 22:14/10:14PM
lol Anthony. I'm thinking that firm does not appreciate their url being associated with the jerk. Furthermore; NO way would that firm let someone like avaid help them with things like search engines..

Irony
24-03-2006, 23:18/11:18PM
:hi: Anthony!

Nice to see you here, bro :) :love:

Anthony Parsons
25-03-2006, 01:46/01:46AM
Originally posted by ihelpyou
lol Anthony. I'm thinking that firm does not appreciate their url being associated with the jerk. Furthermore; NO way would that firm let someone like avaid help them with things like search engines..

Yer Doug, I pretty much think he plucked that from his backside myself. I figured, why in the hell would an attorney even note his name to condone spamming on a public forum... that would just be stupid on their behalf.

Scott Steiner
07-05-2006, 06:14/06:14AM
Hello SEO Guys

I am no SEO techie but will share my experience related to this thread regarding Netsmartz LLC.

I have been reading responses from Irony(Incorrigible & Unpredictable ;), Dog Heil and makes me wonder that there are 2 kinds of people in life, one who climb the ladder and the second one who cannot climb the ladder but like to pull everyone down. Guys be more creative and constructive and spend your time in useful pursuits.

I don’t know if Netsmartz spam or not but I got one SEO project doen from them last year by paying them $1500 and they have given me top ranks on Google, Yahoo, MSN for AS MANY AS 100 KEYWORDS.(Mr Dog Heil can you achieve that, if yes then for much?).

Even Netsmartz portfolio page has Google Pagerank 5…… Mrs Irony what is the Pagerank of your homepage…….you like passing judgement on others…LETS TALK ABOUT THE RESULTS…..Who is better… people writing blogs or organizations getting the job done? Dog and Irony do visit the Google Pagerank 5 netsmartz portfofio: http://www.netsmartz.net/portfolio/index.htm


May be Netsmartz is spamming but their so called spamming helped me in my business. ALSO 2 OF YOUR VOTES CANNOT MATCH 100s OF THEIR POSTIVE FEEDBACKS AT ELANCE. NETSMARTZ IS NO. 5 COMPANY AT ELANCE.COM OUT OF 63,000 ACTIVE SERVICE PROVIDERS.

Please read their latest feedbacks from elance.com and pass your judgement:


Project Details



Feedback Rating for the Project


Category: Other - Website Development
Project Name: 100 Inbound Non-Reciprocated Links

Price: US$5,000.00
Date: 04/20/2006
Buyer: edenvaleshoppes Feedback for others


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5.0
5.0
5.0
5.0
5.0
5.0
5.0


Comments: The project was completed to our satisfaction. I am very happy with urgency shown by them in completing project work as per my expectations. They have done great job in covering up their initial lapses, and for same reason I would like to award them 5.0 Feed-back for each feedback parameter on Elance Channel.

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Category: Usability & Interface Design
Project Name: Simple design improvements for one-page website

Price: US$400.00
Date: 04/17/2006
Buyer: weeger01 Feedback for others


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5.0
5.0
5.0
5.0
5.0
5.0
5.0


Comments: This was my first experience using Elance and I''m a satisfied customer. Netsmartz put together a great website for me. It is obvious from their work that they clearly understood what I was trying to accomplish with the site. I hope to work with them again soon.

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Category: Search & Online Marketing
Project Name: 250 inbound links

Price: US$900.00
Date: 04/10/2006
Buyer: Roger_Mark Feedback for others


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5.0
5.0
5.0
5.0
5.0
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5.0


Comments: We were trying to outsource our sem activities for first time, so we were little hesitant about hiring Netsmartz as our SEM company. But all we can say is that we never regretted our decision. They not only understood our requirements but also executed them in very prompt manner. Also I would say if time and clear scope definition are your concern, then netsmartz is best company to work with. They were little slow in initial phases as they are very process oriented, but they were able to finish the job well in time. Also their pricing is very affordable and definitely value for the services they rendered. Though we went into few iterations to explain my project requirements, but we think it was time worth spending. Overall we are very happy with the results we have achieved and the way Netsmartz have achieved them. Our sem project has been carried out with the professionalism by Netsmartz. Netsmartz provided us with an efficient and effective plan to carry out this project. Throughout the project life cycle Netsmartz provided excellent support and kept channel of communication open. We will definitely use Netsmartz again and have no problem recommended them to others who want to use the outsource option. We would also recommend our project manager,Raj, who was a great help in getting this project completed well in time and budget. We strongly recommend Netsmartz for any SEM related activity. Put in the simple words,all we can say is "Definitely value for our money. "

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Category: Web Programming
Project Name: Web-Programmed Visual Interface

Price: US$1,990.00
Date: 03/28/2006
Buyer: Artletics Feedback for others


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4.5
4.0
4.0
4.5
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4.1


Comments: Netsmartz is a company I would recommend because of their expertise in web programming. They do their very best in staying on budget and generally are good at getting back with you during the course of the project with feedback, status and progression of the job.

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Category: Web Design & Development
Project Name: Directory Website Development w/ SEO

Price: US$1,990.00
Date: 03/27/2006
Buyer: Blueman Feedback for others


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5.0
5.0
5.0
5.0
5.0
5.0
5.0


Comments: Good work completed

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Category: Web Design & Development
Project Name: WebSite for shears Recomendations

Price: US$1,200.00
Date: 03/26/2006
Buyer: thamer_enezi Feedback for others



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Category: Search Engine Optimization
Project Name: SEO for website and PHPBB

Price: US$1,000.00
Date: 03/23/2006
Buyer: Verity2004 Feedback for others


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5.0
4.5
3.5
4.0
3.0
4.0


Comments: The project was ok.

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Category: Search Engine Optimization
Project Name: SEO Optimization for Retail Website

Price: US$1,070.00
Date: 03/12/2006
Buyer: peteraaa Feedback for others


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4.5
5.0
5.0
4.5
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4.8


Comments: Overall a very good professional job. They moved ahead quickly and finished the job on schedule. My search ranking improved for several important keywords. While the SEO techniques used were relatively basic, they did work to improve my ratings.

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Category: Web Design & Development
Project Name: 10 Page Website with Flash Enhancements

Price: US$900.00
Date: 03/02/2006
Buyer: eye9Design Feedback for others


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5.0
5.0
5.0
5.0
5.0
5.0
5.0


Comments: Excellent company. We had some problems on the project due to my contact at the company being hospitalized due to sickness. However, someone else at the company took over his position, apologized for the delay, and offered a discount on our next project. I plan on working with them again.

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Category: Internet Marketing
Project Name: Internet Marketing for Training Business

Price: US$3,200.00
Date: 02/28/2006
Buyer: intlcgco Feedback for others


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4.0
5.0
5.0
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Comments: Manjeets was very professional and answered all my questions and requests within a timely manner. Although the project took longer than expected, it was completed in a professional manner and quality was good. I would recommend using Manjeet for website designs and as the project manager to make sure that all items are completed to your specifications.

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Category: Online Forms & Database Integration
Project Name: Web platform for real estate investment firm

Price: US$500.02
Date: 02/27/2006
Buyer: NestBrokers Feedback for others


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5.0
5.0
5.0
5.0
5.0
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5.0


Comments: Professional company. Very satisfied. Will use again.

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Category: Search Engine Optimization
Project Name: Search Engine Optinization

Price: US$1,265.00
Date: 02/17/2006
Buyer: rpaidar Feedback for others


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5.0
5.0
5.0
5.0
5.0
5.0
5.0


Comments: I will definitely use NetSmartz for similar projects.

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Category: Search Engine Optimization
Project Name: Link Building - One Way Links

Price: US$750.00
Date: 02/08/2006
Buyer: kscherer Feedback for others


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4.0
5.0
5.0
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4.6


Comments: Did a good job on our project. Got us the links we requested, were very responsive to issues we had, and were very organized. Would work with them again.

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Category: Search Engine Optimization
Project Name: Link Building for PR5 Travel Website

Price: US$1,100.00
Date: 01/25/2006
Buyer: CyprusSEO Feedback for others


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4.5
5.0
5.0
4.5
5.0
4.0
4.7


Comments: Most professional company I have worked with so far. Their reports were to the point and they have replaced the links that I did not like, with no problems.

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Category: Search Engine Optimization
Project Name: website SEO and maintenance

Price: US$2,450.00
Date: 01/23/2006
Buyer: 2programm4EZ Feedback for others


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5.0
5.0
5.0
4.5
5.0
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4.9


Comments: This is a solid, structured professional company. I think they actually did very good job on my project. I am saying "I think" because I realize now that it is very difficult to see obvious results for SEO. But I got some independent person to monitor company position before and after SEO project was done by Netsmartz and he came to the conclusion that www.EZMoving.com positioning was much better for the local keywords ( what we optimized for), than what it was before Netsmartz took the project. One should be aware thoughthat they want to sell you "link building project" which I actually gladly purchased, and they do deliver the links of the high ranking websites. I would recommend this company. They do a good job for actually a fraction of a cost that other companies offered.

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Category: Search Engine Optimization
Project Name: SEO for Top Rankings on eCommerce Site

Price: US$1,200.00
Date: 01/21/2006
Buyer: DistNurseries Feedback for others


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3.0
4.0
4.0
5.0
4.0
3.9


Comments: Very good provider.

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Category: Search Engine Optimization
Project Name: Link Building For Poker Website

Price: US$1,590.00
Date: 01/20/2006
Buyer: www.dice702.com Feedback for others


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5.0
5.0
5.0
5.0
5.0
5.0
5.0


Comments: good.

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Category: Search & Online Marketing
Project Name: SEO of several keywords - top 10 on google, yahoo

Price: US$250.00
Date: 01/19/2006
Buyer: docdictate Feedback for others


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5.0
5.0
5.0
5.0
5.0
5.0
5.0


Comments: Netsmartz is the SEO expert, they were able to make our website, www.businessbeanstalk.com really improve on keyword rankings.

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Category: Search Engine Optimization
Project Name: Search Engine Optimization

Price: US$1,650.00
Date: 01/17/2006
Buyer: tgrassi Feedback for others


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5.0
5.0
5.0
5.0
5.0
5.0
5.0


Comments: NetSmartz was a very professional company and completed the project on time and within budget. I would certainly use them again.

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Category: Application Development
Project Name: Software development .net

Price: US$5,000.00
Date: 01/11/2006
Buyer: HarelDobrin Feedback for others


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5.0
5.0
5.0
5.0
5.0
5.0
5.0


Comments: The model booking system developed by Netsmartz has proven to be a huge success. This extremely complex project has been develop with the utmost professionalism by Netsmartz. Netsmartz provided us with an efficient and effective plan to develop this project. Throughout the project development life cycle Netsmartz provided excellent development and support service. We will definitely use Netsmartz again and have no problem recommended them to others who wish to confidently pursue the offshore development option. A special mention should be made of our project manager Steve who was a great help in getting this project completed.

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Category: Search Engine Optimization
Project Name: Cross Stitch website SEO for Google

Price: US$2,235.00
Date: 01/11/2006
Buyer: this-is-the-best Feedback for others


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5.0
5.0
5.0
5.0
5.0
5.0
5.0


Comments: A great company to work with. Very professional and keep you updated all the time. They are very skillful and if they bid on your project I would certainly recommend them to you. I am already working with them again on another 5 figure project - that''s how good they are. Thank you top work.

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Category: Search Engine Optimization
Project Name: SEO for keyword "Accounting Software"

Price: US$1,875.00
Date: 01/10/2006
Buyer: snwsnw Feedback for others


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5.0
5.0
5.0
5.0
5.0
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5.0


Comments: Nick was very patient with me even when it was my mistake. The increase in web-site traffic is much more than I expected. These guys are the best!! Thank you!!

Response by _NetSmartz_: Hi Scott, Thank you for your excellent feedback and the kind words of appreciation. Working together with you was great fun and pleasure for us! Your quality involvement in the project and overall support and confidence in us immensely helped us to turn around the project so well and to your satisfaction. It is beyond doubt that your timely and valuable inputs, "on-schedule payments and excellent communication" all throughout the project schedule kept us motivated and helped us to complete the entire project in the most successful manner. We look forward to a long lasting business relationship with you in future times to come. Thank you once again for being such a great client. Nick.







Category: Ecommerce Website
Project Name: Re-design Ecommerce website

Price: US$1,500.00
Date: 12/14/2005
Buyer: marinesusa Feedback for others


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5.0
5.0
5.0
5.0
5.0
4.5
5.0


Comments: Netsmartz end product (re-design website) was of excellent quality. Our project manager was very responsive and extremely knowledgable. Our project did take a lot longer than we expected but some of that was our fault. I highly recommend them but also advise that you should have all of your images ready and a spread sheet of products with costs, descriptions etc. in hand before begining. This would have saved a considerable amount of time. We are up and running and when kinks show up they still are very responsive. A good company




Bye
Scott Steiner

WebSavvy
07-05-2006, 06:41/06:41AM
You sound more like someone running damage control over accusations of inappropriate company behavior (e.g., Unsolicited Commercial Email that violates the CAN-SPAM Laws) Vs being some satisfied customer who just happens to know every nuance and detail of the companies inner workings with regard to performance satisfaction for it's customers.

This thread (if you read it from the beginning) was about an SEO Company that is sending out UCE (email provided as documentation therein).

The commercial email in question did not satisfy all the mandatory criteria for commercial email as outlined in the CAN-SPAM Act. This email if forwarded to the FTC would result in hefty fines for this company for it's failure to comply with the Laws regarding commercial email.

As for you, a new member questioning the business qualifications of Irina and Doug Heil, is quite unprofessional indeed.

Irina's reputation is well known as is Doug Heil's. Neither one of them need to solicit business by sending out UCE.

I've seen work on client sites by both Irina, and Doug Heil, and they both deliver a satisfactory end product to their client for reasonable cost.

If you had bothered to check their qualifications, you'd have noted that Doug is the SEO for Sony Corp. You only get a contract like that if you know what you're doing and are able to deliver on it. BTW ... he didn't solicit them through UCE either.

Sony came to him.

ihelpyou
07-05-2006, 09:24/09:24AM
Welcome Scott! :hi:

Are you why we get about 10 referrals a day from Google when someone does a search for this?

Netsmart, LLC

Oh yeah, I know you do a search in Google and then visit this thread as it comes up. You are not fooling anyone by your post.

Furthermore; Not only does this firm email spam, but they are search engine spammers as well. Read the emails from them.

They email spam a designer/SEO in Irina. Do you think they would do that if they were not email spammers? Do you really think they would spam someone if they actually viewed her site? Nope.

Get your head out buddy. I feel real sorry for you if you are not employed by netsmart as you are very deprived of knowledge if you think that firms in that elance site are much at all. Why do they have to solicit business there? LOL Do you think that elance screens any of them for email spam or search engine spam? Hell no they don't. They don't know what the heck it is. Just because spam works for now, does not mean it will work tomorrow.

You know what? I hate people who sign up in here with a clear agenda. Go back to your email spamming please.

Scott Steiner
07-05-2006, 10:13/10:13AM
Hey Savvy

Incase this forum is NOT owned by Doug then i would liek to question few things:

1) Who gives him the right to call me employee of Netsmartz?

2) How did he call me Email Spammer?? WHAT ACTION WILL YOU TAKE AGAINST HIM FOR THAT?

3) How did he accuse me of having clear agenda??? Am I selling Business here. Rather he is giving his number, website address and smiling photo to promote his business. He is WRONG in accusing me of having agenda. If this forum is genuine then whats your take on this?

4) He is working on Sony's SEO but why is his website STILL INCOMPLETE. Is that latest recommendation from Google to keep websites incomplete??


I may be wasting my time because this forum seems to be owned by Doug and is heavily biased towards him



Bye
Scott

ihelpyou
07-05-2006, 10:15/10:15AM
LOL Get out of here bud.

Does "administrator" ring a bell to you? Or are you too stupid to know much?

We don't want you in "our" house, so please leave.

ihelpyou
07-05-2006, 10:27/10:27AM
In my house, I can say anything I want to say. Don't you say what you want in your house? You come in here expecting to say what you want and when you want. Notice I have not edited your posts at all? Now I'm asking you to leave.

BTW: Nice "reported post". It shows your ignorance in a big way. :D

WebSavvy
07-05-2006, 10:35/10:35AM
Hi Scott,

I edited out your quote of your previous post. You don't have to quote an entire previous post in order to respond. :)
Incase this forum is NOT owned by Doug then i would liek to question few things:
This forum is owned by Doug Heil. I'm merely a helper here, that's all.
1) Who gives him the right to call me employee of Netsmartz?
Doug's entitled to come to whatever conclusions he wishes to, and have any opinion he chooses to, as are you. He's a grown man and I don't have any power over him. ;)
2) How did he call me Email Spammer??
The FTC defined (by Law) all unsolicited commercial email to be SPAM.

Irina stated that she did not ask for the emails, but kept getting them anyway. The fact this did happen, makes it spam as defined by Law and therefore would classify the sender of SPAM to be a SPAM(mer).
WHAT ACTION WILL YOU TAKE AGAINST HIM FOR THAT?Please see previous two responses.
3) How did he accuse me of having clear agenda??? Am I selling Business here.
One can have an agenda and that does not necessarily mean that the agenda consists solely of the promotion of one's business. Many people come here with an agenda, and many are quite easy to spot from the very beginning.
Rather he is giving his number, website address and smiling photo to promote his business. He is WRONG in accusing me of having agenda.
These forums are owned by Doug, and note there is not one shred of advertising here anywhere. You cannot say this with regard to any of the other SEO forums on the Internet, as most are advertiser supported.

Servers, bandwidth, etc., are all costly. Doug pays for the servers, he pays for the bandwidth, and provides this resource to everyone free of charge and without having advertising shoved in their faces.

He owns the ihelpyou.com domain, and is in charge of this company. Therefore, he is entitled to have his contact information on this forum, wouldn't you agree?
If this forum is genuine then whats your take on this?I've pretty much explained my take on all of this.
4) He is working on Sony's SEO but why is his website STILL INCOMPLETE. Is that latest recommendation from Google to keep websites incomplete??
He is working on Sony's SEO. And yes, his site is not yet complete. His forums and business have been at ihelpyouservices.com for over 5 years.

He was able to finally obtain the ihelpyou.com domain not long ago. Once it was his legally, he moved the forums over (less than 8 weeks ago) and is building an entire new website for his business.
I may be wasting my time because this forum seems to be owned by Doug and is heavily biased towards him.
No bias here. When you've spent as many years around someone as I have with Doug, you learn who they are by what they do. He is honorable, and ethical and he's a fanatic about spam. Over the several years that I've been here he has become my very good friend as has Irina, and the rest of the staff, and most of the members.

I don't know you and have no basis to judge you. Therefore, my basis for trust has not been formed to the degree it has with regard to the relationships here that have taken many years to cultivate.

JohnC
07-05-2006, 12:12/12:12PM
Nice response Deb. :cheers:

Mr. Scott Steiner, you must think even the most casual reader here is an idiot if he/she could not tell after the first few sentences that you had an agenda behind your post.

You made a huge mistake however; your post was to long. If your idea was to insert some of that positive feedback directly into the source of your obvious pain, you have succeeded because Doug does not edit content just because ... However, no one is going to read all of that, it would have been much better to put a link to the resource.

Like this link to Netsmartz LLC's Unsatisfactory Rating with the Better Business Bureau (http://search.buffalo.bbb.org/nis/newsearch2.asp?ID=1&strBCode=00410000&ComID=0041000017002857&ComName=Netsmartz%2C+LLC) Note the company named here is EmailSmartz but lower down the company is also listed as NetSmartz. They even share the same address (including suite) in Rochester NY ... hmmm

Since you seem to be such a fan of NetSmartz, would you mind showing us the URL to their email branch, which is probably the one who did the spamming in the first place.

Irony
07-05-2006, 12:44/12:44PM
Hiya Scott :hi:

My site's home page has a PR5, and so do a few of my inner pages. Read the testimonials and the case studies if you wish (not bad for someone who hasn't even been too long in this business, don't you think so?)

In case you've never heard of this, PageRank is of no value these days, and most definitely has nothing to do with creativity. Check my articles and then tell me I'm not creative... hehe... and BTW, my site is completely done.

As for Doug, he is one of the leaders of this industry, with nearly 10 years of great, successful work.

Who are you?

I seldom out SEO companies... let me think, I believe NetSmartz is the first one I actually outed, ever. It's just that my patience was finally exhausted when they sent me those 6 PDF files I didn't ask for. Until then, I kept forgiving them for all the UCEs they were sending (mostly for link exchanges with their utterly spammy sites - and let me tell you, only those who are not creative, have to resort to spam) :)

I didn't read the rest of your post, sorry. Too long, as John already ponted out. If you want your most important message heard, learn to be brief.

Good luck :cheers:

Connie
07-05-2006, 13:43/01:43PM
Hi Scott.

None of us IHY like Spam whether it's e-mail spam, or spam on a website. In my limited experience a company that resorts to e-mail spam to get customers are not above putting spam on a website.

Like Doug I can't help but feel like you have some connection with the Company other than being a satisfied customer.

By the way I'm going to edit your identical post in my blog and just link back to this thread.

If you had only posted there I probably would have let it stay, or if you had written something different. Just to approve your copy and past serves no purpose.

Comeran
07-05-2006, 20:31/08:31PM
Hi Scott :hi:

You coming in to defend this business practice is going to make everyone here dislike you :p

The problem is that this company is sending out e-mails to people that aren't asking for it (that makes it spam).

Another problem is the way this company is trying to inflate companies rankings. If they did it by making the site better and improving the services offered then those sites would be getting a lot more traffic, and they would bring clients to them so they wouldn't have to spam.

Do you think that their way of doing business is a good way to make money? Wouldn't you like to think that a good busines would be one that will be around for years to come?

Comeran-

ihelpyou
07-05-2006, 20:40/08:40PM
All the above plus they are selling Google's pagerank, which is against the Google TOS. Not only is that foolish as PR means almost nothing, but it's against the google tos which could get them into a heap of trouble. More trouble for netsmartz, and trouble for the client who may fall for their crap.

Comeran
07-05-2006, 21:59/09:59PM
Doug,

Great point. Those clients that are happy when the PR gets delivered will be very un-happy when 6 months from now Google removes them and all netsmartz sites from the index :'(

PR isn't hard to get eithier! I get a 4-6 PR on the main page of new sites that we do in 3-6 months without 1 traded link.

It comes from good content and being listed in all of the directories and niche directories.

Comeran-