Silviu Marian from cheapestsubmissions.com

[chrishirst]

Only put my contact form back live this morning and by 4 PM I get greeted with;


Silviu Marian asked this question And added this message
Hello,

My name is Silviu Marian and I am the general manager of www.CheapestSubmissions.com . The reason why I am contacting you is that I would like to propose you a business partnership.
I noticed that a lot of web design
firms provide submission services for their clients. And I really think their prices are very high. I am proposing you to do the same and offer these services to your clients.
This is the business partnership I was talking about:
- We can offer your users 1000 manual directory submissions for only 100$ or 500 manual directory submissions for only 50$; considering this price, you can add as much as you want, and that will be your share;
I have to say that we provide both cheap and quality services. In fact we sell it for 0.1 $ per submission, while other competitors ask even 0.4$ . As our price is that low, you can add as much as you want and your clients won't say it's too much. That means if you choose us, you can win a lot of money by doing nothing.
In order to have a preview of our work, here there are 2 sites submitted by us:

A) http://www.oyster-web.co.uk
Search Engine Optimisation uk => the 1st on the 1st page on Google

B) http://www.ihm.co.uk
1. Web design and development uk => 1st page on Google
2. Web site design and development => the 1st on 2nd page on Google

Testimonials:
1. "We were delighted by the friendly and professional approach of Cheapest
Submissions and amazed at how quickly they carried out the project. They
must be the best kept secret in SEO!" - Simon Brandon - http://www.simonbrandon.com
2. "A pleasure to work with from start to finish. The staff are polite, helpful and knowledgeable. A pleasure to work with. Thank you Silviu." - Mark Stringer - Creative Director - www.devotedesign.co.uk

*ANY REJECTED SUBMISSION WILL BE RE-SUBMITTED*

If you have any questions or suggestions, feel free to contact me at office@cheapestsubmissions.com. I am sure this is a great business opportunity both for you and my company. Practically you will earn money by doing nothing and we will do what we are good at and earn money for doing that.

Looking forward to hearing from you,
Best wishes - Silviu Marian, General Manager www.cheapestsubmissions.com about this script Home from the website.

[Comeran]

What a deal, only .01 per directory to spam them.....

This guy actually believes that he is helping people by using some crap program like submit wolf or one of those spammy directory submission tools?

I haven't heard about one of those being used in YEARS, I don't even think they are even being developed anymore. How is this guys still trying to sell that service?

Chris, do you get a lot of these requests?

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[Blue]

I received the exact same thing this AM Chris.

[SEFL]

Awwwwww no fair!

I want spam too! Where's my spam? :(

[Comeran]

This guy has no chance.

I wonder if he realizes how bad his service really is. He should have noticed how much those submissions helped his business..... he has to resort to spamming out there to try to get clients.

I notice that google doesn't see any backward links to his site.... and that when I search for his front page title "cheapest directory and article submission service" he isn't even listed on the first 5 pages! That is crazy since it is a long and abstract phrase.

Silviu if you find this I hope you read up and learn what you need to do to become successful online. Please find another service, one that helps your visitors then market it in a tasteful and ethical way.

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[ihelpyou]

It's sad. Sad because there is good learning online if they would only do some research. It's also sad he has testimonials with links as well. I'd hate to be on the receiving end of all these submissions.

Maybe he will see the referrals and will want to try to actually learn? I hope so.

[Comeran]

I just realized a use for his service, I could totally see people paying to have their competitors sites submitted using those tools.... I hope that isn't the business he is currently in but I can't imagine that he is making money any other way.

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[Silviu]

Hello everyone,

First of all I would like to apologize for having bothered you with my emails.

Second of all,
Comeran we're doing only manual submissions. As far as i know, there is no software that can choose the perfect category and write the Excel report. Please have a look at our sample report and you'll see that it is manually made:
http://www.cheapestsubmissions.com/Sample%20Report.xls
We only do it manually and it takes 7 days of tough work to finish 1,000 submissions.

Also, I've never said that we're providing SEO services and we're not trying to scam anybody. We tell all our clients that we only provide manual directory submissions and tell them to check out the web and see what others say about this service and if there are any benefits at all.
We also tell our customers that this service can not guarantee anything for them and that they should also see a SEO company in order to have a good on-page optimization. We're submitting a site after our client has chosen the title, description and keywords. It's not us establishing those things.

Another thing, Comeran, we may not have Google success ( as we've launched our site about 2 months ago ), but thanks to the fact that we've submitted our site to about 800 directories, we are the 1st on the 1st page on Yahoo for the keywords: "cheap directory submissions" and "cheap article submissions".

I would also like to ask you something, as you are more experienced than I am :
What's the difference between the services provided by Inetzeal.com and ours? You may say quality, but we're using the same directories as them, we do it much cheaper, we always choose the right categories and we also provide a more specific Excel report.

Regarding the links of our clients' sites and testimonials, we've mentioned them so that you can contact them and ask them about the way we've treated them and see if they're happy with the results.

I would also really appreciate if you could just blur or maybe even delete the name of our clients in that letter. We would never want to drag our clients into a dispute like this one. This letter was supposed to be a private letter and not a public one.

Finally, this email was supposed to be an outsourcing proposal. We've never had the idea of deceiving anybody. If we wanted this way, we would have NEVER sent this email to SEO firms and to people like you who really know the SEO world. We do believe in the benefits of these services and we wanted to look for some outsourcing partners. We've done it this way, as a SEO firm's personnel would have never visited our site with the intention of reselling it.

Many thanks,
Regards,
Silviu

[ihelpyou]

Welcome Silviu! :hi:

If you wanted your email to be private then you should not be sending out email spam solicitations to begin with, right?

Further; your clients are in the email. If the email is public, the clients are public as it goes with the email.

Further; where did you learn there are even more than 100 quality directories? There is NOT. Period. That is where you are very wrong in offering this type of service. You could actually HURT each site you submit to these low quality directories.

I'm glad you decided to sign up in here as it sounds like you are brand new to things. You need to read in here and then ask specific questions as to what you do not understand. There are only a scant few "QUALITY" directories.

[Silviu]

Hello again and thank you for welcoming me on this forum.
I do not want to seem rude, but I would like to ask you a question as you are far more experienced than me:

How come Inetzeal.com who is providing manual directory submissions and using the list from directorycritic.com, is so appreciated by lots of clients?

Here's the link with testimonials
http://directory-submission.inetzeal.com/testimonials.htm

I would really like to know what you think, as I would really like to get some new and reliable directions in what i am doing.

Thanks a lot,
Regards

[Blue]

IMO, there is only one difference between your "company" and INetZeal (http://www.inetzeal.com/):

Your Company = Scams the innocent with a useless service, has no apparent knowledge of SEO, makes false claims, sends out spam emails.

INetZeal = Scams the innocent with a useless service, has no apparent knowledge of SEO, makes false claims.

[Arnabme]

That was a good one blue

[Silviu]

Blue, if you are such a SEO expert and Inetzeal not, how come you are only on the 5th page on google with "orange county web design" and Inetzeal are the 1st on 1st page on google for their keywords? ( "manual directory submissions" )
You also have to know that they're listed in all "trash" directories that you have been talking about.

Honestly, I do not understand this feud you are developing against everybody who may be some rival in this SEO world. I am actually fed up with so called experts who only want to build a "reputation" by trashing other people without no real arguments. I am no seo specialist, I have never said that, but if you're indeed a SEO expert and if you have some disastrous results concerning your site, I think you'd better keep your opinions for yourself.

I would've really appreciated a reply from your part that was somehow constructive like the one I ve received from IHELPYOU admin.

I think you should revise your behavior and learn how to argument a speech.
I really did not mean to offend neither you, Blue, neither other users.

Many thanks
Good bye

[Blue]

Make no mistake about it Silviu, you are no rival to me nor any other upstanding member of these forums.

See, there is a fundamental difference between us.

While I've taken years to study the fundamentals of true SEO, while I've spent numerous thousands of hours learning SEO from trusted sources, especially the search engines themselves, you've simply slapped up a "jump on the bandwagon" "submit your site to 1000 directories (when in fact there are really only a handful)" "and to put the icing on the cake I'll spam your website" site that is neither original nor actually a service that anyone needs.

The fundamental difference between us is that I am ethical, utilize best practices and offer a service that will actually show a ROI and you, who are not any of the former, are just grasping at straws.

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You have been given an excellent opportunity however, in that if you stick around and start reading and studying up in here, you could actually learn a thing or two that might help you to help others.

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[Connie]

Hi Silviu and welcome. :hi:

I'm not an SEO. I make my living with a small e-commerce site.

Frankly your service is worthless because links do not play that big a role in ranking anymore (If they ever did).

I compete with sites like Amazon.com for a lot of key words. I can assure you I don't have anywhere near the number of backlinks that Amazon has.

Unfortunately there are still people that think links are the solution to rankings.

I've been online since 1999, and have never been involved in link exchanges. I'm listed in maybe 20 directories. Of those only 4 or 5 I would consider quality directories.

[SEFL]

Originally posted by Silviu
Blue, if you are such a SEO expert and Inetzeal not, how come you are only on the 5th page on google with "orange county web design" and Inetzeal are the 1st on 1st page on google for their keywords? ( "manual directory submissions" )
You also have to know that they're listed in all "trash" directories that you have been talking about.

Honestly, I do not understand this feud you are developing against everybody who may be some rival in this SEO world. I am actually fed up with so called experts who only want to build a "reputation" by trashing other people without no real arguments. I am no seo specialist, I have never said that, but if you're indeed a SEO expert and if you have some disastrous results concerning your site, I think you'd better keep your opinions for yourself.

I would've really appreciated a reply from your part that was somehow constructive like the one I ve received from IHELPYOU admin.

I think you should revise your behavior and learn how to argument a speech.
I really did not mean to offend neither you, Blue, neither other users.

Many thanks
Good bye

First of all, rank checking is completely useless. Totally, utterly, completely, 100% useless. Why? Different datacenters return very different results, and even the same datacenter can return different results to different users. "SEO Experts" won't teach you that, because then they can't sell how they rank to potential customers. This renders your entire argument null and void.

Second, Blue wasn't soliciting business; you were. The reason you're here is because you're spamming other people with your services. You may not want to hear it, but it is what it is. If you're generating enough business using the same techniques you claim work, you wouldn't have to go bugging other people...they would come to you.

The reason iNetZeal, as Blue said, is "appreciated" by clients is simply because they don't know any better. Most directories are useless (e.g. pretty well anything run off of phpLinkDirectory). The good ones are developed in-house, by people who want to make something unique and useful, and have been worked on for years.

Take a look at this one:

www.websavvy.cc

THAT'S a directory. What you're submitting to is a bunch of link sites disguised as directories.

As far as geting your clients' names blurred or deleted...you brought this on yourself. You'll have to deal with the consequences. Maybe they'll learn something too.

[ihelpyou]

I'm curious though; why would anyone want to search for this?

manual directory submissions

?

They don't. Any position on that term is fruitless and waste of time. If the public would wise up and do a little research they would realize that submitting to directories is something they can do themself since there are sooooo few quality directories to submit to in the first place. All the rest are simply huge link farms that give no value to the internet.

Looking at a design/seo firm for their own ranks is not worth beans. What you should be doing is looking at their clients positions. The thing is though; you should be educating poor guys like Simon Brandon who offers his design services but has no clue about search engines or directories. You should not be expoiting his lack of knowledge for your own gain.

[Comeran]

Originally posted by Silviu
Comeran we're doing only manual submissions. As far as i know, there is no software that can choose the perfect category and write the Excel report. Please have a look at our sample report and you'll see that it is manually made:
http://www.cheapestsubmissions.com/Sample%20Report.xls
We only do it manually and it takes 7 days of tough work to finish 1,000 submissions.

First of all there aren't 1000 quality directories. I would be so bold as to say that there probably aren't 100. Secondly there is NO WAY that you submit to 1000 directories by hand following guidelines in 7 days for .01 cent each, even with overseas labor.

Some of these "directories" that you are submitting to can actually hurt your clients. You need to make sure that these are not bad neighborhoods that are listing just about any site that submits.

Do you have a list of the 1000 directories and their URLS that you are currently submitting to? That would be a useful tool on your website.

Originally posted by Silviu
Comeran, we may not have Google success ( as we've launched our site about 2 months ago ), but thanks to the fact that we've submitted our site to about 800 directories, we are the 1st on the 1st page on Yahoo for the keywords: "cheap directory submissions" and "cheap article submissions".

I would also like to ask you something, as you are more experienced than I am :
What's the difference between the services provided by Inetzeal.com and ours? You may say quality, but we're using the same directories as them, we do it much cheaper, we always choose the right categories and we also provide a more specific Excel report.

Nobody here is saying that Inetzeal.com is a good company, that their services are useful, or that using them can be beneficial to a website owner. We would tell anyone that asks that these are things that you DON'T want to do. You should hand submit your site to about 20 of the best directories out there, carefully reading the guidelines first to ensure acceptance. We would also tell them to carefully choose the keywords and phrases carefully. This is NOT something that I would suggest entrusting to anyone other than the site owner.

There is hope though, you came here and even though it was a rocky start you are welcome here. The people that you may think are offended are just tired of hearing about scams that hurt sites that then come here and require a lot of help to get back on track....

If you stay here, read up, and ask questions you can learn how to offer a useful service. You will also do much better on the SE's as well. Organic traffic + good reputation (you will get that if you start offering a good service) + knowledge (you can get that here) = a great company and much better income.

Welcome to the forums (I hope).

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[ihelpyou]

http://www.openpr.com/news/26899/ineedhits-Releases-New-Improved-Boost-Guaranteed-Search-Engine-Marketing-Services.html

That's something else our industry has to deal with. Spam firms like ineedhits.com only HURT site owners as well. Read that press release. That's pathetic crap. They are praying on those who do not know any better.

"Inclusion in Google in 7 days".

:green:

Too bad even a new site can be "included" in Google in ONE damn day. LOL

"5 directory listings per month"

LOL

Oh, and BTW: ineedhits claims they are a LEADER in the industry.

[Connie]

I really like this:
Google Guaranteed
Listing & Ranking

Only $24.99 per month. What a crock of sh*t. If it sounds to good to be true it is. Unfortunately many webmasters will fall for that, and pay $24.99 for a few months.

Even with all the information about Internet scams, people still are getting conned. http://www.ineedhits.com/ is only conning people IMO.

I made the link live. They may not be smart enough to check their log files for refers, but if they do I would like for them to know they are being discussed.

[ihelpyou]

They don't care. They have been discussed in here in the past. I received an email from the ceo or something along time ago because of a thread we had in here. He was virtually clueless about things. They only exists for the "buck" they can get... that's it. It's not unlike many, many, many sites out there.

[Comeran]

A new one of these pops up each day. If people read up they would understand better, but until then they will be taken advantage of.

The only way they will get results that quick is to sign up for paid advertising which they could do on their own at any time.

There will always be things like this happening as long site owners think that there are quick ways to manipulate search engines.

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[sbrandon]

The thing is though; you should be educating poor guys like Simon Brandon who offers his design services but has no clue about search engines or directories. You should not be expoiting his lack of knowledge for your own gain.

It's true that I do lack knowledge in SEO, but aim to learn more every day. As I see it there are two ways of learning - listening and trying. As everyone seems to have a different opinion about SEO, listening only gets you so far - that is why I tried this service.

In Silviu's defence, their service does what it says on the tin - submission to directories at a low cost. No more than that. That is why I gave it a punt.

The results? Hard to see how it has improved things for me and therefore it's something I probably won't do again. A lesson learned cheaply, so no harm done. One thing, it hasn't adversely affected results - a client of mine who used it is ranking P1 on Google still.

Silviu's spamming methods? Yes I can see how people may see it as spam, but actually I see it as well-targeted direct marketing and a far cry from the nonsense I get through about herbal remedies etc (I mean, how do they know I need them?!) I have no problem with someone setting up a new business and going out to get some clients rather than sitting there and waiting for them to come to him.

I get stuff every day from copy-writers, SEO companies, PR agencies, printers etc etc - I file anything that looks useful and bin anything that isn't. I actually value people making the effort. However, I hate people who send out completely untargeted mail. It's all a grey area as far as I see it. I probably would prefer not to be part of such mailers though, and will be asking Silviu to remove me from them.

[Blue]

Don't fool yourself Simon.

A high percentage of what is perceived as targeted marketing (email marketing campaigns) are simply sending out to the masses and relying on percentages. They are as much spam as are herbal remedies, et al.

[SEFL]

What Blue said. A lot of the "targeting" is just mass spamming that happens to work in certain cases because the mark is in the 1% of recipients who it actually applies to. It's somewhat similar to the old football prognostication scam where the "prognosticator" would "pick" Team X 50% of the time, Team Y the other 50%, and eventually there would be a small group of people who got the "right" pick each time, so they gamble and usually end up on the losing end.

You think it's "targeted" because it happens to match things that you're looking for, but the same spam is sent to pretty well anyone with a website that has any online presence.

Not only that, it's something that leads to a slippery slope. If you respond to Product/Service Offering X, then you're subject to Offerings Y, Z, A, B, and C, even though at least 3 of them will have nothing to do with X. You respond to a directory submission spam email, and all of a sudden your ***** is too small, you don't gamble enough, and 5000 starving 18-year-old Russian women want to marry you.

[g1smd]

... and you win the lottery several times every day, and there are several dozen deposed African dictators every month, that wish to share their hidden millions in **** with you.

[SEFL]

You mean there aren't really 1,000,000 dead Nigerian dictators every six seconds?

[ihelpyou]

I get stuff every day from copy-writers, SEO companies, PR agencies, printers etc etc - I file anything that looks useful and bin anything that isn't. I actually value people making the effort.
Welcome Simon! :hi:

You are saying that you truly think those email spammers who happen to be SEO's and copywriters, etc, are targeting you and making an affort?? You must be joking bud. You have a whole lot to learn about the internet. Those email spammers have Never visited your site or even know who you are. They have NO clue what you offer or what your site is about. They got your email address off the internet using a spam bot or buying an email list. Think about it; if a SEO was good; do you think they would be emailing you out of the blue? Hell no. Anything you get in your email box from someone you don't know is SPAM.

[SEFL]

That's not totally true, Doug. A lot of so-called SEOs will actually use Google to find prospective clients to send emails to. I've actually gotten someone to admit this openly (http://www.webproworld.com/search-engine-optimization-forum/14815-did-he-say-2.html#post94464) in the past.

A lot of them are also form spammers. They find a web design site and go "hey, they could use our crap-assed link exchange service."

So some of them ARE targeted spammers. That's the scary thing...the spammers are trying to think about what they're doing and still missing the bus.

Hence the reason why I said "a lot of", and not "all". It's subtle, but that's the keyphrase there.

[ihelpyou]

Very true.

The thread you posted has the one poster who cold calls people. His site is linked on very post. Interesting that his site is the ONLY site in any profile on that page that is now a 404... does not exist anymore. LOL

[lovekissing]

Awwwwww no fair!

I want spam too! Where's my spam? :(

LOLs