I recommend on Joomla

[shasha95]

Joomla is an open-source CMS. Basically it doesn't support multi lingos but you can add a component (free) called JommFish

Good Luck

[SEFL]

Why would you support a CMS that creates bulky, inefficient code and search-engine-unfriendly URLs (among many other issues) by default?

[Dave Hawley]

Why would you support a CMS that creates bulky, inefficient code and search-engine-unfriendly URLs (among many other issues) by default?I would guess the person has a vested interest.

[shasha95]

What's wrong with Joomla?!
It's free and it does the job. If you PHP/MySQL then you can do whatever you wish with it.

[ihelpyou]

hmm. I thought Adam answered that exact question above?

[Dave Hawley]

Yep, he did. Obviously wasn't the answer shasha95 wanted.

[jfrovich]

guys its not the best CMS
but for free with the right addon's its very seo friendly.. and easy to use

[Blue]

That may be true, but there are many many website owners that have no concept of "SEO" so will have a hard time figuring out why their site doesn't work. I think this should be addressed by all developers as a fundamental part of their product, rather than as either an afterthought or no thought at all.

[jfrovich]

Blue your correct
I believe in Joomla 1.5 will improve the seo features without several addons.
Its not perfect but there getting their
http://www.pathos-seo.com/joomlablog/is-joomla-15-rc-1-ready-for-search-engine-optimization/
http://www.alledia.com/blog/joomla-1.5/great-seo-improvements-in-joomla-1.5/

[jfrovich]

Guys
point me to a better cheap or free cms and ill use it, wordpress can be better than joomla, but it seriously lacks any type on non blog menu or page system

[chrishirst]

Wordpress,at least if you are using the version on your own site has "pages".

On the "Write" tab you have "Post" "Page" "Link"

So you can completely ignore the "blogging" bit and just create pages should you so wish .

[jfrovich]

Wordpress,at least if you are using the version on your own site has "pages".

On the "Write" tab you have "Post" "Page" "Link"

So you can completely ignore the "blogging" bit and just create pages should you so wish .

Try but try to add subpages and try to have a menu.. its a pain compared to joomla

[ihelpyou]

Yes; but you know how to fix things in it where most everyday type site owners don't have a clue. :)

[chrishirst]

Try but try to add subpages and try to have a menu.. its a pain compared to joomla
Aah Ok.

In that case I know what you are getting at.

I keep meaning to attack the template(s) to see if it's fixable :) but finishing coding my own CMS takes priority currently.

[Irony]

We are currently using Drupal. It's not perfect, but it's good enough, though it might be a bit confusing at first. Once you find out how to cook it (more or less), it'll be your good friend.

Just MHO.

[jfrovich]

Yes; but you know how to fix things in it where most everyday type site owners don't have a clue. :)

True, but for Wordpress to compete against other CMS software, it need a better menu/submenu system to deal with pages.

Aah Ok.

In that case I know what you are getting at.

I keep meaning to attack the template(s) to see if it's fixable :) but finishing coding my own CMS takes priority currently.

Ya but its a pain to hack the cms or the template.

We are currently using Drupal. It's not perfect, but it's good enough, though it might be a bit confusing at first. Once you find out how to cook it (more or less), it'll be your good friend.

Just MHO.

Maybe i should try that, joomla code is SO bloated and SEO needs paid addons & the url's/sef is very poor.
O ya not to mention the duplicate content.
Im going to to install & play with drupal

Doug i also noticed that your CMS is going for a great price
http://www.ihelpyou.com/website-design/
looks like you could get it for $298+

[Erwin]

Doug i also noticed that your CMS is going for a great price
http://www.ihelpyou.com/website-design/

Doug, on that page is a link to your case for Kimlor. The view detail gives a page not found. JFYI.

[Erwin]

I use Wordpress alot for my sites. Also subpages are good to handle in it. If you go to my website for example, you will see in the top menu webdesign. If you click on it, you go to the page with a sidebar menu. The pages listed there are all subpages from the webdesign page.

For every page you make there is an option to make a page a subpage from another page, just a one click thing.

Wordpress does have an issue with duplicate content though, but that is easy fixed by using robots.txt.

Also my clients find it very easy to use for adding content to their sites. I'm already glad that they can add content to their website, while sending an email with an attachement is a problem for them ;-)

[g1smd]

The robots.txt fix doesn't "fix" the problem.

At best it is a band-aid solution. It just hides some of the symptoms.

[jfrovich]

The robots.txt fix doesn't "fix" the problem.

At best it is a band-aid solution. It just hides some of the symptoms.

can you recommend a better solution?

[g1smd]

Fixing the internal linking to call the right URLs.

Stop the duplicates from even responding to requests.

Redirecting requests for "wrong" URLs to the right version, then fixing as per two items above.

And so on.

[jfrovich]

I meant can you recommend a better cms..

[ihelpyou]

All systems "out of the box" that I know of need fixed as per what g1 states.

[beth_lk]

Are there and if so what are the benefits of using Joomla or some other such CMS over hard HTML or software such as FP or DW ?

[beth_lk]

Thanks G for telling me about this site :kisses:

[ihelpyou]

FP or DW are actual edit software programs where you can learn html and other languages yourself. A CMS system is not that way, but makes things much easier to add, delete, edit pages, categories, etc, and do so without knowing any html or coding whatsover. With FP or DW you at least have a learning curve or two.

That's just one of the differences of many.

Of course; you FTP using FP or DW, while your control panel is based on your site and not your desktop with a cms system.

[beth_lk]

Sorry, I need to learn people can not read my mind :eek: lol

What I really meant was what benefits does CMS have over the other web development options when it comes to google and other SE ?

[ihelpyou]

hmm. The only other development option one would have is if they hand coded everything, and also created each and every page by hand using a static website with no database.

CMS systems of any kind make things easier and faster. The only thing of benefit for Google is if the system you use is already fixed up and working properly and generating friendly urls, and avoiding duplicate content.

I guess maybe I'm just not understanding the angle of your question? :)

[beth_lk]

Does google or other SE prefer/favor one method over the other? FP - DW - FTP - CMS - CSS - hard HTML etc.

[Blue]

No.

Tools like DW, FP, etc, compare more or less the same as most out-of-the-box CMS systems in the eyes of the search engines.

Wherein the difference lies is in the skill level of the person that is weilding those tools.

In other words, you can code a site with an HTML editor, or a CMS system, just as badly, or, just as perfectly, with either platform.

Best advice:

Learn how to properly code a site, any site, with the basics, if you are worried about the coding of your site. Either that, or hire a pro.

[beth_lk]

Thanks Blue - I have been seeing a "push" towards Joomla and such other CMS. Being told SE ( specifically google ) "favors" sites done in CMS. Your help is appreciated :)