USAseopros.com

[Webmaster T]

I am posting here because this is the only forum with the stones to look out for the consumer!

USAseopros.com is not affiliated with nor are they members of SeoPros.org. You do not see any claims of a relationship on their site but... I have been told by 3 consumers and a job applicant that they claim to BE SeoPros.org in person or on the phone. They are using TrafficPower sales techniques and use many of the same questionable SEO techniques. These guys are ultra bad!

They are also going by cloud9 and possibly others!

Never, ever, ever take a call from an out of town SEO! Any internet marketing company and in particular SEO/SEM worth their salt does not need to solicit business cold calling!!!!

If they are from Nevada run don't walk! Nevada has been a center for telemarketing scams for decades and with the advent of the "No call" list the scammers are targetting business often offering internet marketing services.

[ihelpyou]

Thanks for this T. Hmm; Cloud Nine? Why does that company sound familiar? They must have been outed in here in the past. I'll bet it's the very same people now running this bogus USAseopros site.

[Webmaster T]

Thanks Doug! Cloud9.com is iffy and it does some re-direction to .net! I am not positive but I recall doing preliminary review on USA Seo Pros or came across it while reviewing the Google results for Seo Pros (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=seo+pros&btnG=Search). It seemed misleading as hell but... spending money to stop it, or buying every domain to thwart Domainers and other border line marketing tactics is not high on my list of "to do's" today! ;-)

Most of the domainers are way down the results but this one does pose a problem. It's currently #4 for me (with blended & personalization of results who knows what position it is in for other users?) so I guess now I need to go and push the malcontents and poachers down the results. Some I wish the forum owner would just cut us a little slack and remove but... life is seldom that easy. ;-)

[SEFL]

* scratches his head *

Is this SEO Pros thing even legit (Doug, I'm looking in your direction when I ask this)? I see at least one company on the Canada list that I know cold-calls people.

[Webmaster T]

* scratches his head *

Is this SEO Pros thing even legit (Doug, I'm looking in your direction when I ask this)? I see at least one company on the Canada list that I know cold-calls people.Ummm.... there was a day when this forum's moderators knew what the search box was for!

Several of the executive of SeoPros were super moderators on this Forum. SeoPros formed "OSEOP" a registered NFP. Doug may or may not agree SeoPros is legit... doesn't change the facts.

Hmm... the one you refer to, I know because I did work for another competitor in the same city, also using telemarketing. I agree the cold calling stuff is questionable, however, that alone isn't IMO, grounds to de-list them, only their techniques could do that and they will be, like all members, reviewed again after we make some adjustments to the mandate of the organization.

You assumed I was saying coldcalling was bad and automatically it should be assumed they are using questionable tactics. What I said was some were bad especially if they are in Nevada. You are also comparing apples and oranges when assuming a good Canadian firm is flush with clients. We are scrambling and our dollar isn't helping. I was working with some people who used to work with the firm I believe you are referring to. Canada is a tiny market and most of the majors are using US SEM's for Ca. ecommerce so... we are scrambling, or at least I am!

[SEFL]

I did use it...and I'm still not sure. I don't judge based on the activity in the forum, either. I judge based on what I see of the site. And right now, I haven't formed an opinion one way or the other. That's why I asked.

I'm also slightly aware of the Canadian market, having done a bit of business in it from time to time, and I still stand by the idea that good firms don't need to telemarket...ever. This isn't just an SEO issue, either...I believe this to be true in pretty well any industry. Telemarketing and spam email are basically on the same level, as far as I'm concerned.

[Webmaster T]

I'll agree to disagree on telemarketing... and Time Life is hardly on the level of a spammer. But... you can believe what you want.

[Blue]

IMO, there is absolutely zero difference between telemarketers and spammers. TimeLife is on the same level of spammers.

[ihelpyou]

Yeah, I hate tele firms as well.

But Adam; Terry is one of the decent guys in Canada, as is you. :)

[WebSavvy]

Ummm.... there was a day when this forum's moderators knew what the search box was for!
That is, providing the searchbox actually works in this new stinking version of VB. It's awful. I don't use the searchbox anymore.

The "new search functions" are CaSe SeNsItIvE and unless you remember exactly how someone typed something -- YOU'RE NOT GOING TO FIND IT! <growl ... I loathe the new VB!>

Plus it doesn't search the archives either. :rolleyes:

BYW, T -- Adam [SEFL] is Canadian.

Nice to see you again too, btw :hi:

[SEFL]

Yeah, I hate tele firms as well.

But Adam; Terry is one of the decent guys in Canada, as is you. :)

Just checking. What I did find was inconclusive. I didn't chalk it up to the new vB search, although that does explain a lot.

Okay, no hard feelings. I'll defer to Doug's opinion. 'Sall good.

By the way, Terry, the firm I was referring to was Bay St...not sure if you were referring to the same one. But they've been telemarketing for a while now. I think it does have an effect on "Best Practices", too...a company that would cold call and interrupt people in the course of their daily work would likely do other things along the same ethical lines as well.

Apparently I'm not the only one that thinks that, either. John, you're the first person who's ever really agreed with me on that...at least openly.

[WebSavvy]

Adam, I agree with that too. Cold calling = spam. It's the same as Telemarketing, IMO.

I'd never do business with some firm that cold called me.

[SEFL]

I just call them the same thing. Technically, they're not, since telemarketing can theoretically refer to inbound sales over the phone. But since the public perception of telemarketing relates to cold-call/outbound telemarketing, I just use that definition too because it's easier than explaining that.

I'm wondering, however, if Terry distinguishes the two based on telemarketing referring to both inbound and outbound.

[Webmaster T]

I'm wondering, however, if Terry distinguishes the two based on telemarketing referring to both inbound and outbound.I don't distinguish between them, to me it's all telemarketing. I wasn't referring to Bay st the firm I know that is using telemarketing is outside Ontario.