how do i increase my rank in MSN?

[shamrock]

I have a page listed with inktomi, and i am ranked 12 for a certain phrase, how can i increase my rank? what are all the factors? how important is the meta description, and the meta keywords?

thanks!

[Advisor]

Number 12 isn't so bad!

J

[lots0cash]

how important is the meta description, and the meta keywords?

IMO - On a scale of 1 to 10 with 1 being the most important.

Meta description – 5
Meta keywords - 11

[ihelpyou]

PageOneResults has a good basic tutorial in here on how to rank well with Inktomi. Do a search on his username in the Inktomi forum to find the thread.

[ihelpyou]

Found it:

http://www.ihelpyouservices.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1914

[shamrock]

thanks!

the phrase i have the listing for is being searched at overture about 2000 times each month, and i didn't get any hit yet:eek:
the page was listed for 12 hours already;)

but then again, i guess this phrase is being searched at least 100 times a day at MSN:eek: (2000/30 days = 70 + MSN more popular :D ) so it's kinda dissappointing

[ealaindraoi]

>>PageOneResults has a good basic tutorial in here on how to rank well with Inktomi. Do a search on his username in the Inktomi forum to find the thread.<<

Using PageOneResults most excellent post on Optimizing for Ink, I submitted a page recently where I was trying for 2 keyword phases, one is great the other needs a little tweaking. (1st result on page 2, just micro inches away! lol)
In your opinions how true are the following ideas that I've found here and there?
1. More than 3 occurances of the same words in alt tags are ignored or penalized.
2. Ink does take comment tags into consideration.
3. When I last submitted a page to Ink, the page moved up in the SERPS in time, with no changes at all - so do you think this is common, that pages will move up with time?
4. How important is the keyword in the name of the page (not the title, the name in the url.)?
5. How much does Ink count link pop with the keyword in the text?

Thank you,
Brenda

[ihelpyou]

Those questions are such that no one knows the 'right' answer. That's what we all do... figure things out to see what works best. No way to know exactly how any search engine ranks. Even if you did, it might change next week or next month. No way to know the answers. We can give opinions though and we all have different ones.

1. no need to put keywords in alt tags except if it describes the linked page or gif.
2. false
3. possibly
4. only one way of Many ways Ink ranks. how important? No one knows.
5. no way to know but is good to do so.

[Advisor]

I'm not sure you can say that no one knows. There are lots of people who study the serps and ink very closely who probably have a fairly good idea of those things. Perhaps not 100% as they change their algorithm now and then, but I'll betcha there are some out there who do indeed know!

Whether or not they want to say is another matter!

Jil

[ihelpyou]

I differ there Jill. No one knows for sure about anything. We all state our opinions about everything to do with the search engines. :) Some of us are just better than others about gaining ranks. It does not mean we are wrong or right, just that it may work for us. It may not work for others as we all have to do our own testing, etc. We just state opinions. :)

[Advisor]

Well, I agree with you for the most part, but there are some people like MMT, for instance, who extensively study the algorithms and the serps, and what does what. I'm not saying that's the way to go, as it would drive me crazy and you'd be chasing your tail quite often. But I would have to admit that people like that might know more exactly what effect various things have on the various engines.

Personally, that stuff is irrelevant to me since my goal is to simply ensure that sites are the best they can be for both the visitors and the search engines.

But then again, I don't usually try and move up my 12th position ranking to a number 1 ranking, because I know it can change in any given month or day anyway and trying to do much about it won't make much difference and could even backfire in some cases (as we've seen with google and backward links).

Jill

[ihelpyou]

Yes. Very true. Even with MMT or anyone else, I consider those his/her opinions and nothing more. Granted, many have better opinions but they still are opinions. :) Only the search engine in question knows for sure.

Like with mmt or jill or anyone, I do things differently in some ways and the same in others. No way is right or wrong. Except of course, if you are talking about blatant spam, then yes, that is wrong. :)

[MakeMeTop]

>who extensively study the algorithms and the serps, and what does what.

Yep, and look what I've become - :bouncy:

Doug's right though - we can only have opinions (albeit informed ones). Only the SEs know and they can change their algo in a jiffy.

[Sharon & Roy]

Originally posted by Advisor

But then again, I don't usually try and move up my 12th position ranking to a number 1 ranking, because I know it can change in any given month or day anyway and trying to do much about it won't make much difference and could even backfire in some cases (as we've seen with google and backward links).

Hi Jill,

We haven't been able to read (or post) as much as we'd really like here as of late, so we are at a complete loss by what you meant when you said, ... "backfire in some cases (as we've seen with google and backward links)."

Would you please catch us up to speed on that please. Just a quick summary or a link to the related thread(s) would be greatly appreciated. (Or anyone else who could help us on this issue, would be equally as appreciated, thanks.)

[ihelpyou]

Oh, it's just that people get so worked up in trying to raise their link pop that they do things in a not normal way, which could lead to a penalty. Best just to go about the linking thing naturally and you are always better off.

[Advisor]

S&R, I get emails every day from people who suddenly have 0 PR, or a grayed out toolbar for their site. They all tell me that they haven't done anything to spam the engines. Upon further investigation, it usually seems to end up that they have multiple sites which are all interlinking with each other. That seems to be the common thread.

We have discussed this here also, but I don't remember the exact threads.

That's what I meant by it backfiring in some cases.

Jill

[Sharon & Roy]

Upon further investigation, it usually seems to end up that they have multiple sites which are all interlinking with each other. That seems to be the common thread.


Thank you Jill and Doug,

Yes, such a strategy will certainly backfire on those who engage in crosslinking multiple sites.

We're not sure where these folks are actually getting this misinformation, but we hear about this "common thread" quite a bit ourselves from potential clients.

We simply advise them to scrap their idea of crosslinking lots of domains (a.k.a. domain farms) and to more or less use that strategy on a SINGLE site (domain) with LOTS of pages which will actually provide the high rankings they seek without the possibility of penalities or being banned.

In fact, if folks would just visit your RankWrite site, Jill, they'd see a perfect example of what "proper interlinking" is all about.

SEO TIP: The more pages that you have on ONE site that interlink, the higher your ranking consideration will be and without fear of penalties or being banned. Therefore the key is to create multiple PAGES that interlink and NOT multiple SITES.

[ihelpyou]

Yes, very true. Problem is there are MANY people out there that claim to do what we do... seo, and they recommend this multiple domain thing. That is how and why people think the way they do. It might have worked one year ago but Not anymore. Buyer beware always seems to come to mind.

[shamrock]

about the linking stuff, do you mean google penalizes website like this one - http://www.store-street.com/ ??
it's not my website, but in mine i also linked to about 15 pages in a second domain from every page i have in my first domain, and in the domain i linked to i only linked to the home page of my first domain in ever page.

what do you think?

:rolleyes:

thanks

[ihelpyou]

Just beware shamrock. That is all we can say. No one knows when Google will deam whatever you are doing as not right. They could drop one or both, or they could do nothing.