Domain or IP assessed for link popularity

[dtmm]

I understand that if several hundred domains were linking to my domain, the search engines would allocate me with higher relevance. However if all the domains had the same IP address would this still be the case.

[Big Guerrilla]

Very Doubtful. SE's certainly would take notice of this, and conclude that you were spamming them.

[ihelpyou]

Welcome to the forums dtmm! :hi:

What BigG said.

[lots0cash]

I understand that if several hundred domains were linking to my domain, the search engines would allocate me with higher relevance. However if all the domains had the same IP address would this still be the case.

Easy answer - NO!, using this kind of tatic (interlinking) will get you penalized or in some cases banned.

Only link to your own pages for the benifit of your users, NOT in an attempt to increase your link pop and you should be OK.

Bulding good link popularity is not easy - but then like my grandma used to say, "Nothing in this life that is worthwhile is easy."

[keress]

Hello all. I'm new here.

I was surprised at what you just said, lotsocash. I use Web Position **** and have had good results following their advice and they are big on multiple domains. They suggest setting up several with prime keywords built into the domain name, and setting them up on different web hosts so the IP addresses will be different and constitute true incoming links. I've come across others who are using this strategy who aren't at all what I consider "spammers."

I don't mean this as challenging you, but rather that I would really like more information on this so as to evaluate all this conflicting information.

[bigDugan]

They suggest setting up several with prime keywords built into the domain name, and setting them up on different web hosts so the IP addresses will be different and constitute true incoming links. I've come across others who are using this strategy who aren't at all what I consider "spammers." And you don't think this is spam? THIS IS SPAM. What the hell ever happened to building web sites with content?

[bigDugan]

And so castles made of sand, fall in the sea, eventually - Jimi Hendrix

[ihelpyou]

Welcome to the forums karess! :hi:

Yeppers. Very much spam.

Keep reading in here about it. There are many threads about the multiple domain thang and Google, etc.

btw, good looking site!

btw, I'm not surprised you learned that through WPG. They seem to come up often. Them and their buddies at the Academy. But I thought they cleaned up that kind of advice? Are they still saying that stuff?

[bigDugan]

Yes, welcome to the forums keress!
:hi:

[keress]

Okay, this is the scenario. I have a client with a very nice product. A soy oil with no trans fatty acids. McDonald's just announced that they will be cutting their usage of trans fatty acids by 50% or something, so my client went out and bought a domain name with the words trans fatty acids in it and wants a page set up for that. How is this spam?

About three people in the world search on the words soy oil and its variations in a month. The website is not reaching ANYBODY. We have to cast about for other ways to reach them.

I analyzed keywords and decided the best strategy is to try to fit in the keywords "restaurant supplies." The pages that have been optimized for that have been up there for awhile, but we haven't gotten anywhere, so I'm thinking maybe we should work those keywords into a domain name.

Once we find something that works, we'll likely consolidate the domains. In the meantime, it seems like we'd be more likely to get picked up (unfairly) as spam if both domains have the same IP address, so I'm casting around for yet another web host.

There's another scenario I'm in where taking care to maintain separate IP addresses is important. I'm putting together a web ring of sorts of Native American craft sites. They are all independent vendors who have or will have their own sites, but the plan is to cross link them so that they will have "strength in numbers" with the engines and not get buried somewhere on a big mutual site and never noticed. I intend to be sure none of them share IP's so that they keep their legitimate independence.

Setting up separate domain/IPs has never been a substitute for legitimate content. I sweat bullets over legitimate content for any site I work on, but I have not seen that that will necessarily make a site work on the net. My first foray into web design was a site with hundreds of pages, for my husband, that nary a soul has ever looked at. Great content, but so what? If you don't have a popular keyword to hook onto, and some link popularity, you're all dressed up with nowhere to go.

[ihelpyou]

Hey keress, and that's what we like to call ''optimization".

You seem to believe that having keyphrases in a domain name is something good? It was one year ago, but not now.

Give me:

dummy.com

and I'll get you good ranks on:

'snake oil salesman'

Anyday of the week. :) Point being that your domain means next to nothing with ranks.

It also means you run a big risk in the big o'l penalty from Google. She does not wish to have multiple domains all leading to the exact same site. Can you blame her? It's not good practice these days and many would say it's outright spam. I'm one of them.

[kneelsit]

Welcome to the forums Keress :hi:

Point No.1 WPG does not get very good PR from Google if you use their automated gizmo to check results - could easily get you banned.!

No 2. How about doing some serious research on the health advantages of the product and dangers of fatty acids or whatever . Make them simple, interesting and easy to read.

- the more good content the better. then submit to ODP.(Google)

Good luck.

[keress]

I did do some serious research on the health benefits of the product, a good deal more than my client paid me to do. It's been up there for several months now to no appreciable effect.

How important do you all think the default file is? Does it carry more weight than files in subfolders? If I can move my "restaurant-supplies-frying-oil" keyword page out of a subfolder and make it the index file, could that be what gets us out of this doldrum we're in? My client can be stubborn and hasn't wanted me to fool around with his pages. Can I say that you all back me up on this?

http://www.carolinasoyproducts.com/

Also, on the issue of the Native American craft web ring issue, my instincts are still telling me it woud be dangerous to put all my sites onto the same IP. How would these cross links not be considered legitimate? Just because they're going through the same web designer?

Okay, Ihelpyou, go ahead and tell me how you would go about getting top rankings for "snake oil salesman" at www.dummy.com.

[ihelpyou]

LOL. You know what my point was.

Point being any domain name can get good ranks for ANY keyphrase.

Look at my domain name at the other site. Do I rank well with my business?

I could name thousands of domain names that have nothing to do with their targeted keyphrases that rank well. Domains names mean next to nothing.

[Blue]

Hi keress, and welcome to the forums! :hi:

How important do you all think the default file is? Does it carry more weight than files in subfolders? If I can move my "restaurant-supplies-frying-oil" keyword page out of a subfolder and make it the index file, could that be what gets us out of this doldrum we're in? My gut feeling in response to this - is yes! In looking at the sites home page, I see little text

On the inner pages I see the text that could help the front page achieve higher ranks. I think if you took the text from the "about Soy Oil" page, moved it to the front page, it would help. Of course you would then have to delete the "about Soy Oil" page so as to not have duplicate content.

But my point is that the current front page has little text for the SE's (and the sites visitors) to work with.

Also, I would try to incorporate the keywords, in order of importance, into the title, and use them again prominently (header tags) in the body content.

Hope this helps,

[keress]

This is the page I want to be the default page.

http://www.carolinasoyproducts.com/Restaurant-Supplies-Frying-Oil/index.htm

[kneelsit]

Hi Keress,

Blue has made some good points there--( check your link in your last post - it does not seems to work). However having gone in and read some of your pages I can see you have a quite difficult task facing you.

AS I imagine the scenario, your client wants a website so he can increase sales to his unique group of buyers "restaurant owners". These guys have always bought from their regular traveller - Bill. Joe, etc.. Why should they change over just because some new sales bloke tells them they will save money and or time.

Your heart foundation logo is a good start, you might try a completely new approach. Get in on the current obesity campaign and persuade the buyers that they can "upgrade" their image considerably - by pushing the healthy eating concept. Allow them to charge higher prices because they are "approved by the heart foundation - - " whatever.

Currently your copy reads like a college chemistry text. You have to "sell the sizzle - not the steak".!

[keress]

I've been moving files around this afternoon. I talked the site owner into moving the main, optimized page to the default page.

http://www.carolinasoyproducts.com

I suggested that he have some placards printed up that restaurant owners can display that will boast about the healthier oil used. He said he was going to do that.

I don't know if you saw the copy here or not, but it's what I've come up so far to "sell" the concept. Hopefully, it sizzles a little more than what you were referring to.

[keress]

I thought of another reason why someone might legitimately want to have more than one domain. The default page on a site carries the most weight, right? So, if you've got another important keyword, devoting another domain to it, and optimizing a default page for it may be what it takes for it to rank.

Personally, I've been very frustrated getting anything in subfolders to go anywhere. How about keywords in the root directory that aren't default pages. How do they seem to rank?

[nitewing2]

I have 3 domains all hosted on the same virtual server but each has it's own IP # and unique content...never had a linking problem, site to site, with them.

Better to be sure they each have different IP's and unique content.

Nitewing2

[ihelpyou]

The default page on a site carries the most weight, right? So, if you've got another important keyword, devoting another domain to it, and optimizing a default page for it may be what it takes for it to rank.
While is reasoning is correct, you have to have very different content to justify different domains. They have to be different sites, etc. One good site is really all you need.