Inktomi PFI and Link Popularity

[dvduval]

I make the assumption here that link popularity plays a major role in Inktomi SERPs. My question:
If I were to add a link to 'Page 1' on say 20 other pages and all the pages are in the PFI program, will I see instant (48 hour) change in the rank in the results of 'Page 1'?
Or does Inktomi update link populararity on a slower schedule?
Finally, let's suppose that 'Page 1' is not in PFI but the 20 pages that link to it are in PFI. What will the 20 new links do to 'Page 1' within 48 hours? (if anything)

[JuniorHarris]

Tough question, one I'd defer to MakeMeTop!~;)

He does provide some Ink Optimization (http://www.ihelpyouservices.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1914&highlight=link+popularity+inktomi) insights here.

[ihelpyou]

If Page 1 is not in the PFI, then Page 1 will not even be crawled by Inktomi, IMO.

[Advisor]

I was thinking the same thing as JH...ask Barry!

J

[Big Guerrilla]

Doug's right. Inktomi's paid program will not crawl any pages that aren't signed up. Also, I'm not sure what added weight Ink will give you if the links from the indexed pages share the same root URL.

[ihelpyou]

Ink says they don't give any added weight to PFI pages so those 20 pages that are paid for have as much of a chance to rank high as that Page 1 that was not paid for. Only difference is the 20 pages are re-spidered every 48 hours where Page 1 is once a month or so.

[Advisor]

I don't think we know whether or not page 1 was paid for or not. I don't think David would pay for 20 other URLs but not for page 1, so I'm assuming he's talking about a paid one?

He wants to know whether the links to it will help, not whether it will get spidered, I think.

J

[dvduval]

Rephrasing my question:

If I'm paying for 100 pages and today I add the same hyperlink on all 100 pages, will the page that received 100 links to it see an increase in Page Rank so to speak? And will that increase be immediate (within 48 hours) or is there some other type of update that I would have to wait for?

[ihelpyou]

Update in PageRank? Now I am confused as to what you mean?

Are those 100 pages in PFI? Is the one page that the other pages are linking to in PFI?

If you are asking about PR of that page, it will not get updated by Google until the end of the month no matter what.







Oh, I think I know now.

Those 100 pages in PFI will not get that one page not in PFI any added boost until the spider comes around to crawl that one page. It does not do the 48 hour thing with that page no matter how many links are pointing to it. You did not pay for PFI for that page so everything else is moot.

[Advisor]

David, I understand what you're asking, but I don't know the answer as I don't know how Inktomi calculates it's link popularity. Like I said before, Barry may know this. If anyone does, it would be him! You might want to try and PM him.

Jill

[ihelpyou]

And will that increase be immediate (within 48 hours) or is there some other type of update that I would have to wait for?
No. Because that page is not in PFI. It would be treated just like any other page that gets in for free.

Now, does it matter that a bunch of PFI pages link to it from the same site?

Yes. Only in that the page has a better chance of getting in for free, but will Not be updated every 48 hours like the other pages that are in PFI.

Of course, Barry can confirm or refute. :)

[dvduval]

Whether the page receiving the links is in PFI or not is not necessarily where I'm going here. I'm just wondering if you can 'instantly' make a page more popular by adding links from many PFI pages.

And the reason I ask is because I'm trying to get new news articles to show up quickly.

[ihelpyou]

Yes you can if you pay for it in the PFI program. It does not matter how many links are leading to it. If it's not in PFI, it gets updated just like any old free page in the database.

[ihelpyou]

Whether the page receiving the links is in PFI or not is not necessarily where I'm going here.
Well David, that makes all the difference in the world as to how fast that particular page gets updated. :)

Again; if in PFI, updated every 48 hours. If not in PFI, updated whenever slurp decides to crawl the page.

[dvduval]

...and as it gets updated, does the strength of the new incoming links get updated also?

or...does the 48 hour refresh check for incoming links and update that factor in the algorithm for the page?

[ihelpyou]

The strength of any links linking to the page will be updated when That page gets crawled and updated. Each page stands on it's own so 'strength' is calculated upon the update.

[ihelpyou]

David, now you are talking like the page is in PFI. Which is it?

[dvduval]

Sorry if I'm not making myself clear but my whole focus is on:

Does link popularity of a page get updated when the PFI spider comes around? or just the content?

[ihelpyou]

Yes. That's what I said above. :)

[Big Guerrilla]

I understand what you're saying. I believe the answer is yes with regards to link pop being increased within 48 hours provided all the linking pages as well as the page being linked to are included in the PFI program.

However, as I mentioned before, it would be helpful to know if you're talking about a bunch of internal inks or are going to have links from completely separate domains, since I don't think Inktomi gives a lot of weight to internal linking, just like Google doesn't.