ClickEngine.Net

[williamIV]

joined Clickengine.net ppc last week and got great results, received over 60 hits on mulit keywords. Can anyone tell me more about this search engine? or Has anyone tried this engine yet?:cheers:

[ihelpyou]

Welcome to the forums William! :hi:

I have never heard of them. There are a gazillion ppc things out there so now there is one more. Oh joy.

Why do you ask about this one? Seems strange for your first post.

Also, you ask if anyone knows about them? You must already know if you already gave them money, right? You know more than we do as we have not given them money.

[williamIV]

The Reason why I am asking is that they gave me $10 free to start an account along with a number of other ppc search engines. This is the first one to come close to using the free offer up. Before I decide to put real money in, i just want to find out a litte more about the company. I know many ppc pay to have affiliate boxes that get them results but are not good results for me. If anyone has any experience with this company please let me know.

[ihelpyou]

Maybe others have heard of it then as I have not. Many other ppc's offer a couple of bucks upfront. That is nothing new. Why not use a PPC that is well-known and has a proven track record? There are many forums in here on those PPC's. We also know they do have a track record.

[Matt B]

Sounds like the gambling sites that give you money upfront when you open an account. :rolleyes: Why not use one that has the proven reach instead of a smaller player? There is Overture, Google, then everything else.

BTW - Did those 60 hits put anything into your pocket?

PPC is very close to gambling IMO. Don't like it, never will. It is only a necessary evil until the business model dries up.

sorry, I just can't stand PPC.:D

[williamIV]

I do use some of the more astablished ppc search engines, the reason this one intreges me is that I am getting good result as a much lower bid then the big boys. :cheers:

[Matt B]

I would hope so - I don't think a smaller PPC could charge the same $$ and survive. It would be a poor business model to charge the same and deliver less traffic.

Don't get me wrong I use it because I have to and there are some rare instances where it is needed and maybe even the best strategy. But I still hate it.

[ihelpyou]

hey William, answer me one question please.

Are you involved with this engine in any way, shape, or form? Not just because you are using it but because you are affiliated in some way?

[williamIV]

No, I have signed up for their affilate program and placed a search box on my site.

[ihelpyou]

Okay but I would use one of these for more bang for your buck:

http://www.ihelpyouservices.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?forumid=20

[williamIV]

thanks, This is the feedback i want!

Do you think that the smaller engines deliver less valuble results then the larger ones. Should I consentrate on on the big boys and pay more per bid or the smaller engines that offer lower bid prices but fewer or questionalble clicks? My site is a shopping mall and it relay boils down to how many sales are comming through. But I have found that its really a matter of every 1 out of 200 visits sells something. How do i track which services are providing buyers and witch are sending me junk?

[Advisor]

What I don't get is how the small PPC engines actually get visitors to search at them? Nobody's ever heard of them, so real people can't actually be searching with them, can they?

If this is true, then who's clicking on your ppc ads? I would want to ask the PPC engine how much traffic they get and where it comes from before ever opening an account with them.

Jill

[williamIV]

Ok, Will they give you an real number?

Is their a way of checking to see how much traffic the site has without taking thier word for it?

[ihelpyou]

Do you think that the smaller engines deliver less valuble results then the larger ones.
Of course they do. Only makes sense. Much less valuable.

Adding to what Jill said, if no one is searching on that engine, how valuable could the visitors be? More than likely, since they offer an affiliate program, most of your clicks will be from other affiliates just trying to make a buck. Are they the kind of visitors you want to pay for?

Stick with the ppc engines in THIS forum. They are in here for a reason and that engine is not.

[Matt B]

One out of 200 is a very bad ratio. That is .5% in conversion rate. The average conversion rate is 1.8% (Dec. 2001) which is still not increadible. Traditional direct mailers and spam mailers are happy to get 2-3% in responses.

You have to figure how much it costs to get those 200 people to your site and compare that with the 1 sale that you received as your ratio. Is that 1 sale equal to or greater than 200 x "$0.XX" to get them there. That is your ROI.

If not, then you have to consider 2 things -
1. Your ad, is it attracting the right people? Can it be better? Does the copy in your ad need to be improved?
and
2. Your audience; Are you advertising in the right place?

Chances are, if it is an engine that doesn't have it's own forum here or in other SE Forums, it's not worth it. And we even have forums for search engines that are circling the drain right now. :rolleyes:

[ihelpyou]

circling the drain
What a great quote! :green:

[MJR]

What I don't get is how the small PPC engines actually get visitors to search at them? Nobody's ever heard of them, so real people can't actually be searching with them, can they?

Some small "nitch" PPC's do quite well...topic specific with a targeted audiance, more bang for the buck :)

[williamIV]

that is a good point, but how did the large ppc search engines go from small to large? This simple post has brought up some interesting questings. Are some lagit and if so when do we give them some reg.

[ihelpyou]

Any ppc that offers an affiliate program to just about any web site is asking for abuse. Their clients will be getting and paying for bogus clicks. That kind of PPC is never going to get reg. Name one large PPC engine that lets you make money with a simple search box on your site? The one's that do strictly enforce that search box and that affiliate.

[JuniorHarris]

I would be a little less concerned about the company, and more concerned about their source of traffic. An affiliate program is a nice addition and completes the consumption circle of monies!~ :eyes:

Oh, and if you are wondering, that domain was just registered this April!~ So this explains why nobody has heard of them, and also makes it tough to believe they could have established any sort of market share and traffic in such short time.

I smell something funny...

[Advisor]

In my opinion, what makes any PPC engine good is the deals they have with other engines. With Overture, you're seen on the majors. With nearly any other PPC engine, what do you have besides their own site?

When Overture (GoTo) only had their own site, there wasn't a whole lot of value in them either. These smaller engines would have to make some bigger deals to make anyone any money, I would imagine.

Jill

[JuniorHarris]

Good point Jill!~

If you remember before GoVerture locked in with the big boys, they also had considerable problems with abuse through affiliates, such as the likes of netTaxi. With many "new" traffic sources showing as top refferals!~:o:

[MJR]

Most of your medium (i.e. Kanoodle) to large (i.e. Overture) have partnerships with engines and directories all over the Net giving value. There are several of the smaller PPC's that have gone to networking with each other - helps some I suppose. There are other smaller PPC engines that have made partnerships with a few others, again I suppose it helps some. But a lot of folks are seeing the forrest, but not the trees - so to speak. They see PPC's like Overture and think that way to success is by building a huge global engine with lots of URL's and maybe content and then try to make partnerships with other engines/directories and find that market ot be saturated. What I am suggesting is that smaller "nitch" topic or regional specific PPC's, portals, SE's and directores is going to be the way of the future. If you want to build a strong market for a new PPC, build it around a specific topic or region. Users are looking for places they can go where the content is all anout the topics they are interested in, be it something specific or their region. IMHO this is the future and the bandwagon is coming around the corner :)