Sharon & Roy

[ihelpyou]

Wow. Sorry gals/guys about the way you were treated over there.

ThinkSuccess had a legitimate question and he got a good answer.

Guess what? I NEVER submit directly to Google! YEP. I NEVER submit anyone to Google. Gee, how are my ranks? How are my client's ranks? I rest my case.



















Did I say I never submit any sites to Google? YES. I sure did, and you know what? All sites are spidered at the end of the month, like clockwork. They are indexed and ranked on schedule at the end of the following month. Gee Wiz.

Submitting does you no good. It does not hurt, BUT does not help. Actually, I truly believe it will hurt most sites to submit.

[ihelpyou]

OH GOSH. Maybe my post above was too long? I sure hope you all did not mind it as it may have wasted your time? Maybe it took up too many resources of the server? How about bandwidth? :green:

[ihelpyou]

I notice how many posts are made over there referring to "the REAL SEO experts post in these forums". :green:

I can think of a couple other forums who have more "experts" posting than they do.

[Sharon & Roy]

Originally posted by ihelpyou

Wow. Sorry gals/guys about the way you were treated over there.

Hi Doug, yeah, we sure don't understand it.

It sure seems like a few of the boys and girls over there desire to "attack" us, and we really don't know why? Nor do we need to, as we'll just ignore what needs to be ignored and only answer what needs to be answered.

It's a good thing we never personalize any of "this kinda treatment" or we'd really be in trouble. <wink>

Originally posted by ihelpyou

ThinkSuccess had a legitimate question and he got a good answer.

Well, thanks for saying so Doug. And once we saw his/her reply, we were glad that s/he did reply. It gave the whole thread the confirmation it needed.

We know some of the boys and girls over there remember who we are and it did seem that no one read what "needed" to be read, as they all seemed to read what they "wanted" to read into our post and even made snide remarks that we thought were very childish and unprofessional, but alas, if that is what we must expect each time we post, then so be it. We're sure they'll tire of it before we do, because it doesn't even bother us in the least. We just want to interact in a professional manner and help folks where and when we can and learn as much as we can. And if that doesn't become obvious to those that are having their "fun" with us right now, then they need more help than we can give them. <wink>

Originally posted by ihelpyou

Guess what? I NEVER submit directly to Google! YEP. I NEVER submit anyone to Google. Gee, how are my ranks? How are my client's ranks? I rest my case.

Well, that's what we were going to ask you and the others about, since none of the "Google Moderators" cared to clue the others in on that fact, since it was so obviously spelled out by Mr. Silverstein and by the Google Help Page we quoted them.

We're sorry, but we have to ask this "sad question" if you know the answer. One of the moderators did not answer our very simple question, when we asked if the Google help page was true or false, why not?

It almost seemed as if she was saying that she knows all the answers about Google, because if the advice she gave was not true then she and one of the other knowledgeable SEO's around here would have figured that out long ago. But we read an earlier post, dated just a day or two earlier by another moderator there, when asked the same question, they answered the exact opposite of this moderator's answer. So if someone asks them, do I submit or wait to be spidered, then depending on which moderator answers you on which answer you will get.

We ask any of you, how can that be productive? Newbies (or anyone for that matter) should be able to at least trust a moderator for the correct answer, and if that is not the case, then where does that leave the community?

We're not complaining, we're only asking for your responses to make some sense of this.

We mean, like what should we add to our disclaimer; beware, that some Public SEO Forums have moderators who may provide conflicting information from Google's help pages and even from each other???

Originally posted by ihelpyou

Did I say I never submit any sites to Google? YES. I sure did, and you know what? All sites are spidered at the end of the month, like clockwork. They are indexed and ranked on schedule at the end of the following month. Gee Wiz.

Submitting does you no good. It does not hurt, BUT does not help. Actually, I truly believe it will hurt most sites to submit.

YES, you did, Doug! :D

Yes, your statement is precisely what we said over there, and added that if you have no links to your Site, there's a possibility you won't get indexed at all, because that is exactly what Google says can happen if you submit, rather than wait to be spidered AFTER you have lots of quality inbound links, plus it is a faster way to enter Google than submitting, yet there were those who chose to ignore it and just spew their "verbal bullets" at us anyway, LOL ... Oh what "fun" it can be to discuss SEO with one's peers, hehehe!

What really sad, is that they are not helping out the Newbies one bit by giving advice to go ahead and submit without any inbound links, OUCH! Oh, well, we did our best to get the truth out, and folks who read it can make up their own minds, huh?

In fact, we are asking your permission to quote you on this for our book, plus we have a couple more questions exactly along this topic that we'll post in a new thread that we'll start for the various questions and discussions directed toward our book.

Doug, we want to express how MUCH it means to us, for you to allow us the "freedom" to pursue our book here the way you are. Thank you again!!!

Your Friends, Sharon & Roy

P.S. "OH GOSH. Maybe my post above was too long? I sure hope you all did not mind it as it may have wasted your time? Maybe it took up too many resources of the server? How about bandwidth? "

LOL, "Perhaps!" <-- "Hey, Doug, It's me, Steve" (The Dell Commercial) LOL, ... We love, Steve

[ihelpyou]

LOL, I love Steve also. Dell found a **** mine with him. They are making a killing with the commercials with him now. You seen the latest one?

The SteveMister will be on Letterman or Leno Real soon, you can be assured of that. :)

Yep. Your comments over there were basically correct. Those people just do not like ANY conflict or debate or anything like it. The moderators over there are Always right,... in their own mind.

Believe me, moderators everywhere are not always correct. They do not have to be right in a forum atmosphere. Everyone has their OWN opinions about everything.

My opinion is what I stated in the post above. Actually, a site only needs ONE good quality link leading to it. Google will spider the page your link is on and find YOUR page.

Most of my clients get on Looksmart first. Google spiders LS at the end of the month. At that time, they find your link and proceed to spider your site. Your site is in the Google index at the end of the next month. Simple as that. NO NEED TO SUBMIT TO GOOGLE.

Example:

These forums opened on June 5th, 2001. Looksmart accepted them around June 17th. The exact date is in the LS forum somewhere. On June 23rd, 24th, and 25th, Google found these forums in Looksmart and proceeded to spider about 250 pages or so from here. In the re-index of Google at the end of July, these forums are ranked in Google on a slew of phrases. As we speak, the forums have a PageRank of 3 and are still ranked.

I am looking forward to the end of this month as Google will have over 1000 pages indexed. The PageRank will go up, I am sure as many more sites now have links to here that Google will have found by then.

It takes one good link! That is all.

[ihelpyou]

Further:

Please note everything I write is my opinion only.

If a site submits to Google without a quality link leading to it, it does NOT hurt the site, it simply just does not get indexed by Google.

If a site is indexed by Google, and then the site re-submits later for any reason, there seems to be evidence that re-submitting makes NO difference at all to Google as it will NOT make Googlebot re-spider any faster. It has a schedule to keep and meet every month. It will spider when it wishes.

I have NOT submitted my main site for 2 years now. That is right. Two years! I do not ever plan on submitting this site.

[JuniorHarris]

>My opinion is what I stated in the post above. Actually, a site only needs ONE good quality link leading to it. Google will spider the page your link is on and find YOUR page.

I have discovered this to be very true!~ Not only do I share the opinion, but I also believe it!~;)

[ihelpyou]

Take a look at this thread:

http://searchengineforums.com/Forum28/HTML/000866.html

Who made a well thought out post that was pretty correct albeit too many numbers for me.

Then, who made posts that had Very incorrect parts in it?

Unbelievable to me.

Is there really this much difference of opinion between this forum and their's??

Thank you for voicing your concerns, we are aware of the impact of the incorrect data.
That was from a moderator. Someone please tell me where the "incorrect data" was in the post? The word here is "incorrect". I am confused.

To avoid being confused and mislead, my advice is don't read any of Sharon and Roys "helpful" posts.
That was from another moderator.

I am sorry but I just do not see it. What am I missing?

[MazY]

May I?

I have just read the thread in the other forum and I have mixed feelings.

I shall write from the heart and hope that I don't offend ayone too much.

Sharon & Roy - whilst I do see that you are genuinely helpful people, I have noted before that "some" of the advice you give does appear to be incorrect or distorted. I have pointed these out politely or questioned them as and when I notice them.

However, I feel that is only half of the problem. The major factor seems to be your pleonasm. How any individual writes is ultimately his or her choice but I think you will find that a more succint style is appreciated at Jim's forum.

Like it or not, it is Jim's Forum and he and the moderators have every right to maintain the style which most members find agreeable. Clearly they do not warm to your particular style.

The above does not necessarily mean that your style is wrong but it does mean that it is wrong for that particular forum.

I also notice that you do have a habit of using more than a liberal sprinkling of quotes when replying to posts. This does make for rather a large read when it perhaps doesn't need to. It is "custom" to quote at the top and then address the point that you are quoting within your reply.

You also tend to use a lot of bold within your replies. This does make for a very confusing read and clearly it is not just me that finds this to be the case. It may well work on a web page that is used for scanning but forums are not read in the same way. Especially when the text is meant for professionals in whichever field you are writing within. Remember, professionals tend to read all text.

Try finding a professional magazine that has the text set in bold at random intervals. There is a reason why they don't.

I hope that this post is received in the style that it is intended - helpful advice from someone who writes an awful lot.

Regards...

[ihelpyou]

Well, I do agree with that about the style, but that is S and R's style. What I do not agree with over there is the bashing upfront of a fellow member. Why not just ban them if they do not like it?

I also do not agree when they say posts are "incorrect". There are parts of the moderator's posts that are "incorrect". Let's face it, no post is really ever incorrect or completely correct.

[MazY]

I believe that if they were banned then they could simply rejoin anyway under a different name.

We all have to compromise our own writing style from time to time in order to suit the particular audience or medium that we are addressing.

I think the reason that they have not been banned at present is made quite clear -- many moderators and members are on holiday and they are waiting for a more varied opinion before making any hasty decisions. That is good administration in my view.

I do honestly believe that the sometimes incorrect information may be forgiven a little more if presented in a more succint style.

It is a lot of read sometimes only to discover at the end that it is incorrect.

I concur that member bashing (excuse the phrase) is wrong and I would like to see them address that issue. In the interim period however, I am more than happy to welcome the refugees. :)

[highman]

I agree with the writing style issue, most of us are busy people, we dont have time to wade through long posts quoting other posts etc etc.

I for one read more posts that are short and to the point, like many of my replies ;)

[JuniorHarris]

dittio!~ ;)

[SubmissoR]

Agreed! I like the short and to the point postings also, otherwise I get bored and my forehead hurts after falling asleep into the keyboard.........;)