Submitting Sites to Positiontech?

[Jeff]

If I submit 5 URLs to Positiontech now can I go and add 5 more two weeks from now at the lower rate under the same account? Or does it have to be at the time of submitting the first URL at $39 to get the $18 rate for the additional URLS?


Jeff

[MsSearch]

You open one account with Position Tech and when you need to check your account or add new URL's, you log in...so you add to your existing account, thus paying the $18 rate for additional URLs...

[MsSearch]

...actually, additional URL's are $25/URL....not $18...

just to clarify...

[Jeff]

OK...Thanks!

One more question. I don't really have a lot of money to spend but I want to make sure my site is updated and showing up well in SEs. (I've already optimized all of my pages). Currently it is showing up with content (title and descriptions) that hasn't been on my pages in over a half a year.

I have like 10 subdomains off my main website (i.e. subdomain.domain.com). Each link off my main site that goes to a subsection goes to a link like: http://subdomain.domain.com. Would you recommend just submitting www.domain.com or should I also pay to add each sub-domain as well? Will it just go to www.domain.com and spider it so it will pick up the rest of the pages?

I was going to pay to submit to Teoma, Inktomi, Fast, and infospider.com. Are there any others I'm missing that are important? I'd like to submit to Yahoo but $300 is ridiculous.


Jeff

[MsSearch]

Inktomi's paid inclusion pages do not get deep crawled so links off paid inclusion pages will not get picked up unless you pay for those pages or unless Slurp (inktomi's spider) finds your pages on its own.

As for the other Paid Inclusion programs you mentioned, I haven't used Teoma (cause its still fairly new, in my opinion),nor have i tried infospider.com (cause it's altavista and it brings no traffic to my sites).

I have tried FAST/Lycos but does not bring me much U.S. traffic so i don;t recommend it if your site is aimed at a U.S. audience...

[scottiecl]

I have paid to be included in Teoma and can tell you they don't deep crawl and send very little traffic.

When I search my relevant keywords, so MANY non-relevant sites appear that have nothing to do with the keywords that it is no wonder. As a searcher, I was frustrated and as a webmaster, they do not rate any more $$ from me.

Pages that are #1 on Google don't appear until page 3 or 4 on Teoma for the exact same search... That is what I have found, anyway.

[Kal]

Originally posted by Jeff
important? I'd like to submit to Yahoo but $300 is ridiculous.
Jeff
Hi Jeff - actually $300 is very reasonable when you consider how much traffic you'll get from Yahoo. Many sites get the majority of their traffic from Yahoo. I know I do. Also keep in mind the good link popularity Yahoo can provide (i.e. it makes an important contribution to your Google Page Rank).

In terms of audience reach, Yahoo comes 2nd behind MSN with around 30%. You can verify this figure here (http://www.searchenginewatch.com/reports/netratings.html). So what I'm saying is that your investment on Yahoo will pay for itself quickly via traffic, as long as you research your category and submit carefully.

[Jeff]

Kalena,

I guess I just don't get why Yahoo has to charge a whopping $300/year when most of the others charge $12 - $39. I've been running my web business for 4 years and have made over 35K each year and never spent over $50 in any type of adversiting in all those years (including paying to submit my site to search engines). All of my business has come from free search engine submissions and I have clients in over 48 countries.

If I really knew that it would make a difference to submit my site to Yahoo then I would definately do it, but there's no guarantees. I'm sure many of you in the forums would say I would, but most of you are probably pros at this.

Since Yahoo is just an index, does it just use the URL, Title, Description, and Keywords that you enter when submitting a site? Or does keep a database of every page within a site to pull the search results from when people look for something?

[SubmissoR]

You make 35k a year and wont spend $299 on the most trafficed place on the internet? Yahoo delivers more traffic than most any other engine, except google. Its worth it, beleive me, dontg be so cheap.

You would probaly increase your traffic , and profit considerably.

Some people just think everything on the net is still free, wrong! Maybe 1-3 years ago.....but not now

[ihelpyou]

Jeff, I do NOT tell a client to expect ANY referrals from the Yahoo directory even if they pay every year. It's about a 50/50 chance of getting good ranks in the directory. That ain't the benefit of a yahoo directory listing. The benefit is for Google and link popularity. That is it. Period.

My sites get Nothing from the directory in referrals. Nothing at all. I don't care as that listing is helping them big-time in Google. That's all I care about. The sites that also get referrals from Yahoo are simply getting a bonus. Is it worth it? You betcha.

[Kal]

Originally posted by Jeff
Since Yahoo is just an index, does it just use the URL, Title, Description, and Keywords that you enter when submitting a site? Or does keep a database of every page within a site to pull the search results from when people look for something?

Ah there's the rub. Yahoo only accepts your top level domain and does not store individual pages in their directory. So the content of your original submission will mostly determine how high you rank for certain terms. Because Yahoo is a human powered directory, a real person will look at your submission, your URL, your title and your description and decide if it accurately represents your site.

Most people who submit their site to Yahoo don't really know what they are doing and either use very verbose untargeted descriptions, or try to stuff as many keywords into their descriptions as possible. So 90% of the time you'll find your description gets edited by Yahoo staff. However, if you hire an expert to submit your site to Yahoo, (or do a lot of reading about the process), you CAN get good rankings - you just need to include your most important search terms in the description and word it carefully. The last 10 or so submissions I've done for clients haven't been touched by editors :cool:

For some industries, traffic from Yahoo may not be relevant (as Doug says) but I can tell you that for retail related sites, traffic CAN be high quality and very targeted, as long as you get a keyword-rich description accepted. Relevance is key here. Let us know if you decide to submit and how it turns out.