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Sharon & Roy
25-08-2001, 06:59/06:59AM
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Everything You Always Wanted To Know About Google But Didn't Know To Ask (http://www.iwon.net/google-search-engine-optimiztion-ebook/)

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Accidental Spamdexing vs. Spamdexing On Purpose

We're sure our readers would like to know if Google will penalize and/or ban a Web Page or Web Site for accidental spamdexing? Meaning that either the Web Site Owner or their Web Designer implemented something into the Web Page in a purely "innocent or unknowing" fashion, which Google actually considers spamdexing?

In other words, does Google know if a Web Page has been accidentally spamdexed and therefore they won't impose any penalties or ban the Page?

Or do they follow the philosophy that ... "Ignorance of the Law (of Spamdexing) is No Excuse" ... Whereas they will penalize or ban you whether you did it by accident or not?


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What about this example? Is this considered spamdexing?

Your body element has this ... <body bgcolor=white>

Then further down the page you have a table like this ...

<table bgcolor=blue><tr><td>
<font color=white>Is this considered spamdexing?</font>
</td></tr></table>

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markymark
25-08-2001, 07:10/07:10AM
No, it isn't. Never ever had any problems of that sort. I've read a few discussions on this before and I have to say that they usually go around in circles.

I know someone is going to disagree with me over this, but point me to an example of someone being penalised for having white text on a - in this example - blue table background and I'm willing to change my mind. As spiders can read the code, they should be able to tell that this is not an attempt to fool them.
highman
25-08-2001, 08:05/08:05AM
I agree with markymark, although I do everything I can to avoid the situation if I come across a clients site with that setup.
The big no-no is bg color set to white with a bg image tiled down the page in say blue with white text on top :rolleyes: then the warning bells ring
ihelpyou
25-08-2001, 08:28/08:28AM
I also agree with the above. No evidence of Google penalizing for this. Although I do try to avoid it in any case, but there are many sites ranked that have just this situation and seem to do fine.
JuniorHarris
27-08-2001, 07:57/07:57AM
I can say conclusively that I have noticed no penalties. I know from personal experience, where I used the same page background color and same [foreground] color within a table utilizing a different background color.

I will note however, that I do not use named colors but instead specify them with numerical value. (i.e. white = #ffffff) Most current browsers recognize named colors, however some older browsers (and maybe spiders) may not recognize named colors.
Advisor
27-08-2001, 23:28/11:28PM
PLEASE NOTE: By posting and contributing to this thread you are expressly and knowingly giving your permission to (possibly) use your information (with your Signature File) for an upcoming eBook by Sharon & Roy Montero titled ...

I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't think that posting in a thread should necessarily imply that you are giving your permission to be in a book. If anything of mine is going into a book, I would hope that I would be contacted first for my permission before something gets published. There may be reasons for not wanting to be in that particular book at that particular time.

If I have to worry that my posting in these forums means I might be quoted without my permission (but only with my implied permission) in a book, then I may have to rethink things a bit.

For instance, what if I don't agree with things in the book? I might not want to have my name associated with it. Being in someone's book is a huge decision and not something that should simply be implied by a posting in a forum.

Jill
JuniorHarris
28-08-2001, 00:24/12:24AM
Jill brings to light some interesting points, and I would suggest for anyone publishing material (on-line or not), to obtain written or verbal permission prior to quoting an individual. Maybe change the statement to suggest an individual who posts, may be contacted for permission to quote that individual...not to say one would, but anyone could edit and insert such a statement in an earlier post after the thread has grown.
Sharon & Roy
28-08-2001, 04:05/04:05AM
Originally posted by webwhiz

If anything of mine is going into a book, I would hope that I would be contacted first for my permission before something gets published.

Hello Jill,

No problem. We will be sure to ask for your permission should we ever decide to use any of the information that you post to one of our ... SEO eBook Question threads.

All anyone has to do is to simply voice their concerns and we would be more than happy to ask for your permission first, otherwise to keep things really simple, we will just assume that if you post to one or any of our SEO eBook Question threads that we have your permission to quote your information with credit; as you have provided in your profile.

Also, if you would like to contact us privately, feel free to eMail us or to use the private message system via this forum.

Thank you.
highman
28-08-2001, 04:17/04:17AM
All anyone has to do is to simply voice their concerns and we would be more than happy to ask for your permission

Please
Advisor
28-08-2001, 09:27/09:27AM
Well, thanks for that, however, it still doesn't seem right that people should have to "opt-out."

However, consider myself opted out for now. If/when your book is complete, I'd be happy to review a copy of it and decide if anything I've said (assuming you even wanted anything I've said) should be included.

I still strongly feel that this should be done for everyone, as a matter of courtesy.

Jill
ihelpyou
28-08-2001, 09:39/09:39AM
In all fairness to S and R, I did tell them to state in the title of the thread when they were looking for input for their book.

I do think it a very good idea to get the permission from the poster before actually putting out the book. S and R, please get the permission first of any post in here before you actually incorporate the quote into the book. I am sure we all would like to see the product first before being quoted in it.

Thanks Guys!
Sharon & Roy
28-08-2001, 10:16/10:16AM
Originally posted by ihelpyou
I do think it a very good idea to get the permission from the poster before actually putting out the book. S and R, please get the permission first of any post in here before you actually incorporate the quote into the book. I am sure we all would like to see the product first before being quoted in it.

Thanks Guys!

Not a problem, Doug, Jill, JuniorHarris, highman and others.

We will be asking permission of everyone first. Will also go and revise the notice at the beginning of this thread.

Thank you everyone for your input!


P.S. Since we couldn't edit the first post, here is the revised notice ...

PLEASE NOTE: By posting and contributing to this thread you may be contacted for permission to (possibly) use your information (with your Signature File) for an upcoming eBook by Sharon & Roy Montero titled ...
ihelpyou
28-08-2001, 10:17/10:17AM
Very good! Thanks
Advisor
28-08-2001, 10:28/10:28AM
Much better! Thanks!

Jill
JuniorHarris
29-08-2001, 08:14/08:14AM
Very good!~ :cheers: Thanks S&R!~
Blue
29-08-2001, 13:09/01:09PM
I glad that webwhiz voiced her concerns in this matter. Stemming from "scumwaregate", I have been attempting to educate myself on laws concerning copyright, plaigarism, intellectual property and like issues.

The reason I say I'm glad about this issue being raised is that I would hate for someone (especially all the nice folks at this board) to unknowingly open themselves to any tyupe of lawsuit or other lagal action.

I will refer you to this (http://www.rbs2.com/copyr.htm) link as a short course in copyright law.

I'm also glad that all parties are agreeable to what has been discussed so far, (though I expected nothing less), as it is obvious that we are all here to help one another and that this small but growing community is one that believes in each other and the level of trust is very high.
JuniorHarris
29-08-2001, 13:34/01:34PM
Great Link Blue!~ :up: