question about frames and links

[Danny]

When using frames, the major problem is that sometimes people enter a page without viewing the entire frameset.

I know that adding a link to the homepage (with the frameset) on every page of the site won't get me into troube.

My question is 2fold :

1. Would it harm the site when all pages link to other main pages as well.
Would google consider this as having too many internal links ? (internal link farming or something?)

2. The homepage has 3 frames.
-The top frame has a link to a site map and contact details.
-The navigation frames has links to several products pages.
-The third frame (my main frame) shows the called pages.
When entering the site through the index page that holds the entire frameset, there is a link to other language versions of the site.
Would it be better to have all links grouped together ?

Any ideas ?

PS: I hope i made this one clear enough

[robwatts]

Hi

Why not use javascript and the <no frames> tag?

Use javascript to put the pages caught outside back into the frameset.

<script language="javascript">
if (top.location == self.location) {
top.location.href = "index.html?main.html"
}
// End hiding script from old browsers -->
</SCRIPT>


Use <no frames> tags to put all your internal link content.

hth

[Danny]

i'm aware that this script could be used but i don't like it coz it forces visitors to double-click the back button and some surfers are not used to that.

Weird that the thread has moved because the purpose of the question if more to find out how i could improve my SERP's on google.
U c, i've read that a link from a page with PR4 that holds just one link could be worth more that a link from a page with PR6 that holds lots of links.
So the idea of my Q is to improve that link quality by putting them on several framepages instead of just 1.

[robwatts]

well, ive used text links at the bottom of framed pages to tell users who are for example javascript deficient, that they should click here to go to the home page, and Ive never been penalised for it.

My opinion is that it improves the experience for the user and ties it all together. Why should the spider have a problem with this?

Do remember that framed pages are still seperate pages. If non framed website pages can contain links to other parts of a website, then why shouldnt framed website pages?Theres no difference IMO they are still seperate html pages and subject to the usual rules.

[Danny]

That's a relief !

It's better to prevent being penalised than recovering from a ban.

Thanks for the info !

:cheers:

[Blue]

here's (http://www.searchmechanics.com/learn/srf/index.htm) another suggestion.

[Matt B]

There are a couple of scripts available to bring an entire frameset up when a user lands on an interior frame page. There are some that do not disable the back button, I there are a few at Spider-food.net. We use a couple of scripts, depending on the application. However, a warning: I have noticed that a few just "crap out" when combined with certain dynamic content.

I would use that in combination with the noframes tag and a sitemap to link into your main content pages.