Will I get penalized?

[martin_k]

Hi All,

This is my first post here.

For certain reasons I have to set up a frameset page on www.my.site which will have one empty frame on the same site and one frame with no content (maybe only the text "Under construction") on another site (www.the-robot-logging.site).

The only purpose of the framed pages (of a frame on the www.the-robot-logging.site) is to log the robot hits. (because I do not have access to logfiles on www.my.site.)

And then I would need to get the robots to visit the page. But I would not like people to see the page.


Can I use 1x1 image link for such a purpose?

Does the whole thing sound reasonable?

[french dread]

1x1 pics are easily seen by SEs, even if they dont always penalize them in fact. A better solution could be to hide your spider detection system in a noscript tag so that it is unvisible to visitors. Using no script, u can use a bigger picture that won't look suspect to search engines.

[martin_k]

Thanks for suggestion!

How do robots detect it is a 1x1 image (If I do not have WIDTH, HEIGHT with the IMG) ?

I could put a bigger size transparent image at the end of the page. I do not care much if some visitors click on that link. Page will be empty anyway.

Are PEOPLE from SEs evaluating unethical methods on pages or robots themselves are trying to establish the fact?
If PEOPLE are doing it, they should be able to see the link is not meant to cheat robots.
If robots are the ones who "decide" then will the bigger image solve the problem?

And last question. If I put a bigger image in the <noscript> tags, will I miss some robots which will ignore the <noscript> tags?


If I have asked too many questions, please choose the ones that sounds more sensible.

Thanks for your help!!!

[french dread]

How do robots detect it is a 1x1 image

well i think google can, as it is able to distinguish in its image search pics by size, and even colors or b&w. Google may read pictures headers

Are PEOPLE from SEs evaluating unethical methods on pages or robots themselves are trying to establish the fact?

people of true SEs are not reviewing each pages, they only look at page pointed by spam report and setup automatic filters to overcome the spam technique.

And last question. If I put a bigger image in the <noscript> tags, will I miss some robots which will ignore the <noscript> tags

robots dont ignore noscript tags as it is a basic tag made to provide alternative code for agents not able to read scripts (ie spiders). The size of the pic doesnt matter, except the 1x1 ones that could be suspected of spam.

[martin_k]

Thank you very much!

[martin_k]

One more question.

I guess better results I would get if I would use a page with META REFRESH - 0 seconds

Altough it is stated that:
"Some search engines penalize pages that use a Refresh of a few seconds or less", I made a research with help of the:
http://www.searchtools.com/test/redirect/meta-found-0.html

Conclusion: The page with the META REFRESH was not indexed by all except Altavista.
The following SEs have not ignored the target page:
About
Alltheweb
Altavista
AOL search
BBC
Botbot
Dogpile
Eoroseek
Excite
Fast
GO.com
Go2net
Google
Hotbot
inktomi
iSleuth
iWon
ixquick
Looksmart
Lycos
Mamma
Metafind
MSN
oingo.com
Overture
Webcrawler
WiseNut
Yahoo


QUESTION: Should I try to use META REFRESH instead of frameset page with one frame on other the robot-logging server?

Although "Some search engines [will] penalize [my] page that use a Refresh of [0] seconds" I can rename the page from time to time.

ANOTHER QUESTION: Would this all cause too much trouble for the robots and people from SE would ban my site?

[ihelpyou]

Welcome to the forums Martin! :hi:

Yes to all your questions. You are trying to do something that simply is Not compatible with the search engines. Nothing you can do about it at all. Meta refreshes at any setting are a bad idea as well.

I suggest moving to a real web host who allows you access to your own log files.