getting indexed

[TrueBlue]

Good Evening!

I typed our domain name in at Ask Jeeves website and found 4 websites that link to ours, but we are not indexed. How many links do you need before Ask Jeeves's spider will visit your website?

Thank you in advance.

Chuck

[Advisor]

The only way to get into AskJeeves for certain is to pay their paid-inclusion fee. Otherwise, you simply wait. Check it again in a month or so and see if you're added.

Jill

[TrueBlue]

Hi Jill!

Is it worth paying to get included if you are a service business looking for local business?

Thank you in advance.

Chuck

[Advisor]

I don't see much traffic from ask jeeves.

Jill

[jitesh]

Originally posted by Advisor
The only way to get into AskJeeves for certain is to pay their paid-inclusion fee. Otherwise, you simply wait. Check it again in a month or so and see if you're added.

Jill

Jill, u r correct......One of my site got into teoma in few months after I launched it. I never paid a penny to anyone for that. But I still don't understand how it got indexed????

What is the way by which teoma probably takes new sites, which are not from it's paid inclusion services.


Basically, I want to add few pages to Teoma, Most of the pages are index but I need to index some more pages, I dont think paid inclusion is worth....where can I submit so that so that it's automatically taken to Teoma's database??

[Advisor]

Teoma crawls the web just like any crawler and then the sites get added to Ask Jeeves. There's no reason to submit.

Jill

[jitesh]

The pages which I now want to get indexed in Teoma/Ask Jeeves are there for quite some time, and they have a good amount of backward links too. So why do u think that they are yet not indexed when most of the pages of that domain and the home page is indexed. All the pages are extensively interlinked.

[Advisor]

If you definitely want certain pages in, you'll have to pay. That's the bottom line.

Jill

[TrueBlue]

Hi Jill!

Our site has been up since 1999 and we now have a PR5 on Google, but it was never indexed by Ask Jeeves although several sites that have links to us are. So I paid I Need Hits for inclusion after exactly a month, 6 emails and 3 phone calls we were indexed. They said the delay was because Ask Jeeves' spider thought we had adult content and so it had to be manually reviewed. The only reference we have to children is a banner ad to Adam Walsh's Missing & Exploited Children Center. IMHO Ask Jeeves needs some serious revamping.

[rasputinj]

During the Google Dance my site disappeared from Google and would reappear and then it was stuck on really old info. My traffic dropped like a rock, so I paid for inclusion to Ask, it was 3 weeks later before I had any traffic from them, today I had 5 hits from Ask, compared with 15 from MSN and 150 from Google/Netscape/AOL/Yahoo. I just can not seem to get too high in my keywords for Ask. I would have just as soon waited, but I started to worry during the Google dance.

[KZ_ena]

Originally posted by Advisor
Teoma crawls the web just like any crawler and then the sites get added to Ask Jeeves. There's no reason to submit.

Jill


I have been looking for alternatives for submissions and have not found any. I am relatively new to the scene so I am looking for a point in the right direction. :rolleyes: Another main concern is AlltheWeb and AltaVista..

----AllTheWeb and AltaVista submission page not available at the moment
It seems that the Yahoo owned search engines AllTheWeb and AltaVista are also undergoing some changes. Here's the official statement from the AllTheWeb submission page:

"We are currently making improvements to our free site submission service, which is temporarily unavailable. Please check back here frequently. We will soon be re-launching free site submit." ---- From the Alexandra weekly newsletter

Thoughts, findings? Thanks for any input you may have!

KZ

[Bernard]

It may have been just a coincidence, but Teoma updated the 6 month old index of my site within a couple of weeks after I installed their Toolbar (and browsed my site). YMMV

[Emancipator]

Very interesting observation Bernard. Thanks for sharing that.

[quiznos]

I have only my index page crawled by Teoma,ask, altavita,hotbot. I have signed up for PFI program so all of them have just crawled my index page. I want all these search engines to crawl my site deeper. Go more tehn index page. How can I do this wihout doing PFI since it will be expensive for me who has about 10k pages. My site has been up for more then 2 months now.

[Warren]

Originally posted by quiznos
I have only my index page crawled by Teoma,ask, altavita,hotbot. I have signed up for PFI program so all of them have just crawled my index page. I want all these search engines to crawl my site deeper. Go more tehn index page. How can I do this wihout doing PFI since it will be expensive for me who has about 10k pages. My site has been up for more then 2 months now.

Ask Jeeves doesn't have a trusted feed program any more.

For those URLs which MUST be in there, you may wish to employ a strategy of paying for them.

Otherwise, the same strategies (bascially) that you employ for the other crawler based engines will work with Teoma. That is high quality back links and a site map also tends to help.

If you want to talk about a PFI strategy, then feel free to contact myself. I may be able to help you out.

[ihelpyou]

How can I do this wihout doing PFI since it will be expensive for me who has about 10k pages. My site has been up for more then 2 months now.
You did not need to pay for anything. You site is VERY new. All you needed to do is get good links coming into it. Getting into the directories really helps. Eventually all your pages would be indexed as long as you have good navigation structure. No need to spend one dime.

Of course, paying gets you in immediately. But if your site is a long-term thing, you should be able to be patient and wait things out without paying. Spiders follow links. Get links!

[Warren]

Originally posted by ihelpyou
Of course, paying gets you in immediately. But if your site is a long-term thing, you should be able to be patient and wait things out without paying.

Doug,

I am not 100% sure what you mean by "long-term thing" because PFI can be used as a long term tool.

Like me elaborate and clearly explain what I mean.

By paying the yearly subscription, you are assured that your URL is going to be in the index for the next 12 months. A form of business insurance if you wish to make sure your traffic (and potential income) doesn't disappear due to an index update.

I have a number of clients who see PFI as a sucessful long term strategy to ensuring inclusion and ranking (via the 48 hour refresh) for are entering into their third year.

Again, PFI is NOT for everyone. It does depend on your case and business need.

Of course, PFI is a great short term strategy - i.e. get the URL into the index NOW and get me some traffic.

[ihelpyou]

But if your site is a long-term thing, you should be able to be patient and wait things out without paying.
Meaning that if you plan on being online over the long term, you might wish to 'wait it out' as all your url's will eventually be in the index for free. Why pay if you don't have to? Once you are in.... you are in!

My goodness, the thought of paying maybe hundreds per month for ONE url when that same url could be in the index for free is a big WOW.

[Warren]

Originally posted by ihelpyou
My goodness, the thought of paying maybe hundreds per month for ONE url when that same url could be in the index for free is a big WOW.

To be correct, we are discussing Ask Jeeves and not OSM. Ask Jeeves is a flat fee per URL PFI program.

Ask Jeeves Pricing is only $30 for the first URL, $18 for 2nd plus for a 12 month subscription.

So that works out (by my maths) to be a maximum of $2.50 per URL per month.

[computingfuture]

Originally posted by TrueBlue
Hi Jill!

Our site has been up since 1999 and we now have a PR5 on Google, but it was never indexed by Ask Jeeves although several sites that have links to us are. So I paid I Need Hits for inclusion after exactly a month, 6 emails and 3 phone calls we were indexed. They said the delay was because Ask Jeeves' spider thought we had adult content and so it had to be manually reviewed. The only reference we have to children is a banner ad to Adam Walsh's Missing & Exploited Children Center. IMHO Ask Jeeves needs some serious revamping.


I disagree, and website with the phrase "Exploited Children" should not be indexed automatically. I believe that Ask Jeeves should recieve a medal.

[loki]

have just received an annual invoice for ask jeeves (and also fast) for a well established site.

what's the current feeling if you don't renew; dropped or will the site stay in?

[TrueBlue]

Hi Loki:

I read somewhere that AskJeeves is going to drop the PFI program later this year. If you pay before that time they are supposed to honor your agreement, but when it expires it will not be renewed.

Have a great day!

Update: When I renewed my PFI subscription to AskJeeves (before I found out about AskJeeves not renewing the program) they were indexing a broken link to our site. I gave I Need Hits the proper home page and although I Need Hits listed it in their database it still was not updated. So I had to create a permanent redirect from the page they listed to our actual page. They should have some type of mechanism that if the page you are paying for returns a page not found error when they are reindexing every week that you get an email advising you of the error.