SEO needed for client what wants top ten

[Christian_SEO]

I don't do this stuff just for the money, so I want to pass along a client to someone who can run with the big budget and generate the results.

I just finished a small SEO project for a client and made him understand that we don't do ranking or positioning and judge project success by the increase in qualified traffic to the site.

Now has returned to us with a larger (in priority) project and wants top ten rankings, and offers incentives for top 6 and top 3 ranks.

The topic is a medical disease, and I can tell you right now most of the top results in Google are sites produced by/for law firms. The good news is most of the SEO on the sites is of poor quality, at best.

I get to screen you, but I don't get a cent for the process, so don't bother writing a check or sending gifts...

If you're interested and qualified, send me a message and please include one short description of a recient project of this nature. I won't be verifying your story, but the client will, so just keep it to the facts and don't make me look stupid (ok, more stupid...).

Thanks,
Christian

[Kal]

Hi Christian - not sure I understand. This is a client you don't want? Or don't have time to take on or something?

[Christian_SEO]

Sorry, I see that I could have been more clear and have edited the message.

The client now wants "top rankings" for the main keyword and possible others. We don't play that game. To me, it's too stressful and not worth the larger fees...

I also am not real comfortable working with lawers in general. They have a tendancy to threaten lawsuit very quickly if things don't go their way.

Thanks,
Christian

[Trafficdeveloper]

I was approached by a law firm for a similar project- mesolothemia, or something? It has to do with asbesotos poisoning I think. The client only wanted a top 3 ranking for that word, and wouldn't take any other proposal into consideration. I couldn't promise the rankings of course, as I never offer rank guarantees, so he went elsewhere. On Overture last time I looked the top bid for this term was $50.00- and there were three bids in that range.

I think a better idea would be for an enterprising SEO to build their own site, then sell the leads to law firms. A legal affiliate program of sorts...

Come to think of it, I have been looking for a new affiliate program to promote- maybe I'll do this instead. :)

Chris

[Christian_SEO]

Thanks to all that responded.

The client has made a decision.

Thanks,
Christian

[Christian_SEO]

The client has change their mind....!

So it's up for grabs once again.

They are looking for top10-top 5 placements and it's the same client that was mentioned by Trafficdeveloper.

I had my contact convienced to not spend the big bucks for top placements, not matter what the cost or the risk, but his group has decided to go for it anyway.

Please contact me directly if you are interested by 5/6/03.

Again, they want top rankings. If you are not sure you can deliver, then do not bother to respond.

All responses will be filtered by me. The only requirement is that you can do the job.

Thanks,
Christian

[Kal]

Why did they change their mind?

[ihelpyou]

I'd tell that guy/gal to kiss my you know what and get a damn life. That's what they can do with their top 5 ranks.

Clients like that get my goat up. I have zero use for those types of dicks who know nothing about reality.


btw, the reality is that NO ONE, I mean NO ONE can guarantee what they want. NO ONE can. Period. Until they understand that, they will continue to be in the dark. So how can anyone take that job since NO one can assure them a top 5 rank?

AND, throwing more money at someone ain't gonna do it either. No amount of money can assure a top rank unless they do the ppc thing. The only people who control the ranks are the search engines. Or maybe they don't even know that? :)

[Christian_SEO]

Come on Doug, let us know how you really feel...!

I had the main contact turned around, but I think his partner is convinced that the competiton is working this way... so I was going to do the project, but now they want to pay big bucks and beat the others to the top.

If I can't find anyone, taht won't bother me, but I have agreed to try, since they trust me.

I'mnot into it, but if a company can provide what the client wants, then I can't really argue too much.

Kal, please tell me you're interested!!!

Thanks,
Christian

[ihelpyou]

But Christian, how can you or kal or anyone guarantee a rank? Is there some SEO's who have that kind of control over the search engines? Is there something I'm not aware of after 6 years doing this? LOL

I guarantee satisfaction and the fact that the client is going to gain many more targeted visitors who wish to buy. That's what the damn guarantee is. For a top rank? ya gotta be joking?

Please tell me how that is realistic? And, how can any seo on the planet honestly take that offer knowing they have NO clue if they will produce what that client wants? How does anyone know beforehand?

What a joke some people are. These are the types I tell to 'call someone else who may care'. I don't waste my time.

[Kal]

Originally posted by Christian_SEO
Kal, please tell me you're interested!!!
Not really, your client sounds a bit too demanding. I don't guarantee particular ranks on particular engines. I do guarantee at least 20 top 10 rankings on a range of engines - a money-back satisfaction guarantee if you like - but not certain positions on certain engines as that's not possible, IMO. Only the search engines have control over where they place a site. Any SEO who claims they can guarantee a certain position is either bull$hitting or talking about PPC which is a whole other ballgame.

Chris, if you think the client would be happy with our satisfaction guarantee and agree to follow my lead on what needs to be done rather than dictate what he/she wants done, then please email me the URL (kalena@webrank.biz) and I'll take a look. :)

[Christian_SEO]

I guess I'm trying to clear up the idea that I have that there are firms that promise and are able to deliver on such things.

I konw that if there are, they use methods that we generally consider "questionable".

To me, it's a question of greed. A good SEO should be able to grab a fair part of the pie, no matter that the competition is doing, but that piece will be smaller depending on how many other pros have been involved.

I have use the RFP over at seopros.org, which the client did the first time around. And I have emailed a few well-known companies aside from that.

I'll try to get back and let you know the results. I have to do my best to take care of what this client wants, because that's how I am. Nut I really hope I can't fine anyone and I can let anyone else know that may come along that it's pretty much a myth.

Kal, I'll let you know if that's an option.

Thanks,
Christian

[ihelpyou]

hmm, I'm kind of surprised Christian that you think someone can guarantee top ranks on search engines. Again I ask you, how could that possibly be?

I'm stumped by this.

We have a few of "the" best SEO's out there in here and they ALL are "Pro's". I certainly bet they are not emailing you about this client. If the best don't want any part of it, second or third best may, but then you have to ask, how can 3rd best guarantee ranks if the best will not?

You have me confused. :)

[Christian_SEO]

Why Doug, I'm surprised you don't understand...?

They will cloak, sattellite, minisite, spew, spam, doorjam, keyhall, and wordway of course!

They will be wayward...

They may be "pros" in the sense that they do it for a living, but not in the sense that I think of as professional.

Christian

[mncsc]

Originally posted by Christian_SEO
I just finished a small SEO project for a client and made him understand that we don't do ranking or positioning and judge project success by the increase in qualified traffic to the site.

You did a great job Christian getting them honest traffic, and it's your client's job if he (or she) wants to get greedy and go to the dark side for answers. I'd drop them like a bad disease - it's not your job to find them a "top ten ranker" at any price - tell 'em to take a hike!

Mason

[MakeMeTop]

>They will cloak, sattellite, minisite, spew, spam, doorjam, keyhall, and wordway of course!

That still is not going to guarantee anything - even if they get away with it.

I stopped doing 'I want to rank #1 for x' years ago. It isn't worth the hassle - no matter how much they may pay if you get it. What would you get paid if you got them 30K uniques per month of good traffic and they weren't in the top 5 for any of their chosen phrases? Would you get anything? Probably not - just a load of grief - and no thanks.

[ihelpyou]

Yes, spammers are no competition. Never have been. If they are a problem for a client, they get reported. You still have to optimize even if you spam. You still have to acquire links back to your site. Same thing. The only advantage a spammer has is the fact they get penalized or banned sooner or later. LOL

Spammers cannot guarantee squat either. No one can.