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lorenbaker
18-06-2003, 18:29/06:29PM
Any one signed up for Google AdSense yet?

It sounds like a great way to get the ads straight from Google, and for Google to Cripple the ad agencies that have been dependent on AdWords Content ads for building revenue.

What do you think?

Loren Baker

ihelpyou
18-06-2003, 18:52/06:52PM
It just started, right? Sites have to apply and they are probably fairly picky.

Bernard
18-06-2003, 19:12/07:12PM
Originally posted by lorenbaker
It sounds like a great way ... for Google to Cripple the ad agencies that have been dependent on AdWords Content ads for building revenue.

Uhh.... If an ad agency is dependent upon AdWords for PPC revenue, they've got serious problems. Shouldn't an ad agency be selling advertising services as their revenue model?

lorenbaker
18-06-2003, 19:33/07:33PM
to Cripple the ad agencies that have been dependent on AdWords Content ads

Ok, I may be jumping the gun here, but it may hurt Burst and some others if Google AdSense does out perform.

Guess it's wait and see.

Loren

ihelpyou
18-06-2003, 19:52/07:52PM
Yes, and that would be a very good thing. :)

lorenbaker
20-06-2003, 11:34/11:34AM
I've Applied for AdSense and am waiting on feedback.

I was a bit late applying because I could never get through using IE, but with NetScape 7 it worked fine. (kinda like DMOZ)

Anyway, if anyone does run the program on your site, please announce this or send a private message.

I'm sure everyone is interested in feedback and results!

Thanks,
Loren

polarmate
20-06-2003, 11:50/11:50AM
Kal has some feedback in this thread (http://www.ihelpyouservices.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9640&perpage=10&pagenumber=2#post100957)

Bernard
20-06-2003, 11:54/11:54AM
I read in another forum where someone placed AdSense ads on pages that were disallowed by robots.txt and hidden (by more proactive means) from spiders. This apparantly got those pages banned from Google as it could not determine the real on-page content for targeting the ads.

ihelpyou
20-06-2003, 11:58/11:58AM
Another cynical person:

http://www.clickz.com/feedback/buzz/article.php/2224941

Well, DUH? Opt-out of it if you don't find it right for you as an AdWords advertiser!!

sheesh,... anything to be able to write an article.

Alan Perkins
20-06-2003, 12:12/12:12PM
Originally posted by Bernard
I read in another forum where someone placed AdSense ads on pages that were disallowed by robots.txt and hidden (by more proactive means) from spiders. This apparantly got those pages banned from Google as it could not determine the real on-page content for targeting the ads. Banned from Adsense, you mean? The pages weren't in Google anyway...

Bernard
20-06-2003, 12:21/12:21PM
Sorry, I erred in my description.

The claim is that the home page was removed from the SERPs after the Mediapartners/Googlebot failed to index the content on the forbidden pages.

Alan Perkins
20-06-2003, 12:33/12:33PM
But the pages were "disallowed by robots.txt and hidden (by more proactive means) from spiders". Maybe that explains it. ;)

Bernard
20-06-2003, 12:35/12:35PM
Alan, you posted as I was editing my previous post. My keyboard locked up on me & I had to reboot, so I wasn't able to fix it in time....

Alan Perkins
20-06-2003, 13:22/01:22PM
I've read the claim now (thanks Bernard ;)). All speculation so far.

What IS already clear is that the site in question did not follow AdSense Basic Step 2 (https://www.google.com/adsense/faq#basics2).If you have a robots.txt file, you'll need to remove it or add the following two lines to your robots.txt to allow our content bot to crawl your site:

User-agent: Mediapartners-Google*
Disallow:

Bernard
20-06-2003, 14:23/02:23PM
Yes, I thought it ironic that the author wanted to list content targeted ads on a page where they wanted to hide the contents.

:smart:

polarmate
20-06-2003, 14:45/02:45PM
:rolleyes: My sentiments exactly...and I said so, too.

Jodi
20-06-2003, 15:51/03:51PM
Hi guys. I have the Google AdSense ads running in banner format at the top of the pages of mine that have no prior ads running on them - so in locations that were empty of advertisers anyway (and I can easily remove them and put a banner from a paying advertiser there at any time).

I applied the day before yesterday, and by yesterday, they'd given me the go ahead. My site is a pretty large one within the "small to medium site" niche, but it never would have been approved for their previous ad serving offering.

If you want to have a look, it's up at http://www.musesmuse.com/ . So far, I'm generally pretty impressed with the ads that come up. They're pretty close to what the topic of the pages are. And if they're way off (I have a columnist who talks about "how to sell yourself" for instance, and there was some ads coming up about selling cars and such that just didn't make sense at all) then I just switch it out and replace it with my own generic header. I'm sure I'll find pages like that as I explore.

The only thing I'm a little disappointed about is the fact that I can't limit the type of ads that appear by topic. I can filter out advertisers that I don't want appearing on my site, but I can't restrict the topic of ads to music, for instance. That seems silly and I hope Google will figure something in order to make that possible.

So far so good though... And yes, I did follow their step #2 in regards to my robots.txt file. :)

Just thought I'd give folks a publisher's perspective.

All the best,

--Jodi

ajitky
21-06-2003, 02:25/02:25AM
Hello,
I am still a newbie and confused...

Robots.txt: for Adsense program......

User-agent: Mediapartners-Google*
Disallow:

1) Will it affect other SE robots/spiders in any manner?

2) Won't foll. allow Adsense robot to crawl through?

User-agent: *
Disallow:

Thanks,
Ajit

Alan Perkins
21-06-2003, 05:45/05:45AM
Originally posted by ajitky
1) Will it affect other SE robots/spiders in any manner?No.2) Won't foll. allow Adsense robot to crawl through?

User-agent: *
Disallow:Yes. It's only if you are disallowing other robots that you need to explicitly allow the AdSence robot.

NazaretH
21-06-2003, 12:39/12:39PM
I am using AdSense for almost 3 days now and I already feel like I am going to stick with it for some more time... Really impressed.

1. It took just a few hours to get approved and to add banner to about 10,000 pages on two sites of mine.

2. Their bot arrived almost immediately and now I am really impressed to see how relevant all ads are - VERY RELEVANT. I mean, not just closely related ads, but EXACTLY RELEVENT. I was afraid that Google might make wrong guesses about our headers but it took content and made great choices. Thus, even though one page may have 60% of "personals" content as a header or navbar and just 40% of, say, "jewelry" content as the real page content - Google still shows "jewelry" sites! I guess guys from Applied Semantics did really good job.

3. We get about 50 cents per click average (hmmm... our plans to run our own PPC disappeared - just no need to)

4. Fast updates (I guess about every 20 min or so)

5. Very user-friendly (well, maybe too simple, but I love things that I totally understand after 5-8 clicks)

6. Good money (in our case should bring enough to pay for our dedicated server and developer's salary).

microdoc
21-06-2003, 17:30/05:30PM
I have been on Adsense now for three days. As others have said it is easy to get onto and easy to get going.

So far payment has been between 9.5c and 23c per clickthrough. A good rate of return. I suspect that a certain clickthrough rate will be required for Google to continue the service.

EP-webmaster
22-06-2003, 01:49/01:49AM
Hi all, this is my first post here:)

I applied and got accepted a couple of hours later, that was quick ;)

I showed them 750 impressions (we get 750-1.000.000 page impresssions/month) and got 10 clicks.

The targeted clicks (they were 8) averaged 6 cents per click while only a couple of licks later were 30 cents each :eek:

I think its worth it after all but payment is highly dependent on the relevant advertisers, for me as soccer website the payment was low when compared with SEO websites...etc.

I just don't like the idea of running text ads in banners, they should give u code and u feel free to integrate it with the teaxt of your articles as this will convert much better as ppl ignore banners by default (even targeted ones).

scottiecl
22-06-2003, 09:47/09:47AM
Welcome ep-webmaster! :hi:

Hiding the fact that these are paid ads is against FCC guidelines. They must be clearly identified as ads.